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by **Herbert Pohl** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:53:03

who needs a time? Non of your first 100 laps will get you a prize, anyway :)
And for checking your improvement just count the shift-Rs you need - at least
that's the way I did it ;)

Sub 9 in a cooper? can be done, yep. Since there are many slow turns, you
probably wont miss the Ferrari power..
In fact, I did a 8:23 in the Cooper when my pb with the lotus was at 8:16.
(done with Alison Hines Cooper setup)

For me it is all about knowing where to start braking, how fast I can go
into a turn and when I can get back on the gas ..
Once you get this memorized, it is easy to work on the details.

Make sure to get a replay of a fast guy and check out what speeds
are possible - dont try to match these speeds, just use them as a
guideline... If you are 10 km/h slower at almost every turn (that's great,
would give you an 8:30 time!!), and then you find a turn where you
are 30 km/h slower - then you know what to do, right?

I found some corners where I completly underestimated the possible speeds :)

Calis

by **Robi** » Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:06:58

> >I have dl'd the Ringtrainer but I have mostly used it just to start at
the
> >last point before start/finish so I get a lap time with out doing the
warmup
> >tour...

> who needs a time? Non of your first 100 laps will get you a prize, anyway
:)
> And for checking your improvement just count the shift-Rs you need - at
least
> that's the way I did it ;)

> Sub 9 in a cooper? can be done, yep. Since there are many slow turns, you
> probably wont miss the Ferrari power..
> In fact, I did a 8:23 in the Cooper when my pb with the lotus was at 8:16.
> (done with Alison Hines Cooper setup)

> For me it is all about knowing where to start braking, how fast I can go
> into a turn and when I can get back on the gas ..
> Once you get this memorized, it is easy to work on the details.

> Make sure to get a replay of a fast guy and check out what speeds
> are possible - dont try to match these speeds, just use them as a
> guideline... If you are 10 km/h slower at almost every turn (that's great,
> would give you an 8:30 time!!), and then you find a turn where you
> are 30 km/h slower - then you know what to do, right?

> I found some corners where I completly underestimated the possible speeds
:)

> Calis

Yeah, you're probably right about me being a little too hung up on the time
and to be honest... I really haven't had to Shift-R yet, which means I am
being too tentative I suppose. I did dl' a couple of hotlap replays from
other people but instead of being completely objective in watching them and
using any info I could glean to better my times I found myself sitting there
wondering how in the hell they did it! I know, bad attitude... I'll have
another look and see if I can find some obvious spots to work on.
I still don't know all the official names of the different sections of the
course but I have real problems with the section that is downhill twisty
with the hedges to the left and the immediate uphill leg after the hedges
where the back end of the car wants to swap around so bad it feels like I
got hit in the tail by a freight train. I know I am losing BIG time through
there.
I have tried the Cooper for a couple of laps but I have to admit that I have
become so accustomed to the Ferrari's sound and shift points that I think
I'll have to re-learn how to drive these cars. It's almost automatic when my
hand reaches for the shifter at points in the track and the Cooper (with
Alison's setup of course) seems to go through the gears faster... much
shorter gearing I guess to compesate for either less power or a heavier car?
Not sure... and not that important, really. I do know that I'm going to have
to reach some Zen-like state if I want to succeed at the 'ring... at least
that's how it seems right now... I'll let you all know if I have a
breakthrough time. Believe me... you'll have a hard time missing my post.
I'll be telling people who don't even know what GPL stands for! Really, they
do exist!!!
Regards,
Robin

by **Rafe McAulif** » Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:25:29

If you really want to be awestruck, try dl'ing Wolfies and Greger's WR
laps at the Nurburgring. Then merge the 2 together and watch them race
each other. Now that is awe inspiring! How can 2 people be so close
and on the limit for an 8min lap?

Rafe Mc

by **Jonny Hodgso** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 19:05:11

I'm nowhere near alien (still about six seconds off Eldred's Rank,
though only three off his Monster Rank!) and I've had the Cooper down
to 8:35 (my best is the Ferrari at 8:28, since my Monster effort).

I recently found a lot of time after I realised I'd been running cars
too stiff at the 'Ring - softer springs (and fairly soft bars) made
them a sight more forgiving, so they now come back when I get them
sideways.

Reading other posts though, learning the track is still key. I can
close my eyes (if I'm having trouble getting to sleep!) and visualise
a lap, start to finish - which is sad, I know ;-)

Happy racing!
Jonny
starting to think he might be approaching Ringmeister status ;-)

by **Robi** » Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:40:50

Merge? GPL newbie question of the month for me, but... how do I merge
replays?
Regards,
Robin

by **Eldre** » Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:50:22

>I'm nowhere near alien (still about six seconds off Eldred's Rank,
>though only three off his Monster Rank!) and I've had the Cooper down
>to 8:35 (my best is the Ferrari at 8:28, since my Monster effort).

My BRM and Honda times are dragging down my MonsterRank... :(

Eldred
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by **?ke Larsso** » Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:32:19

> > >I did dl' a couple of hotlap replays from
> > >other people but instead of being completely objective in watching them
> and
> > >using any info I could glean to better my times I found myself sitting
> there
> > >wondering how in the hell they did it!

> > If you really want to be awestruck, try dl'ing Wolfies and Greger's WR
> > laps at the Nurburgring. Then merge the 2 together and watch them race
> > each other. Now that is awe inspiring! How can 2 people be so close
> > and on the limit for an 8min lap?

> > Rafe Mc

> Merge? GPL newbie question of the month for me, but... how do I merge
> replays?
> Regards,
> Robin

With GPL Replay Analyser. Martin Granberg announced version 4.7 here
today.
A "must have" for GPL.
Btw, I have a merged replay at the ring with my pb and Eldred's, and this
looks like close racing too, but I seriously doubt it would make anybody
awestruck!
Watching Greger's actually make me carsick, and I have never got that in
a real car, although I know some terrible drivers!
\?l
GPLrank+11,82
"Prognosis Negative"

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:46:57

In absolute terms, yes, however, relatively speaking, your Honda times are
better than your Cooper and Eagle times. Ergo, I hold it would be easier to
claw back time by concentrating on these cars than on the Honda.

Do a back to back with me to see what I mean. Lotus, Honda and Brabham are
your "stronger" cars, followed by the BRM. Ferrari, Eagle and Cooper are
your weaker marques in relative terms, IMO.

An obvious shortcoming on GPLRank is not being able to compare two drivers,
both of which are not me, but from my own research into this I think more or
less the same goes or most of drivers in my MonsterRank brackett as compared
to you.

So, my advice: lay off the Honda for a while and do something about that
8m53s Ring time in the Eagle. I just recently hit upon a very sweet Ring
setup for the Eagle, which I'd be willing to swap for your Honda Kyalami
setup (can't get the damn thing geared properly!!). <g>

As for the BRM, I think it's very sweet to drive once you've got it set up
right. It's just soo damn slow impatience leads to overdriving and mistakes
and frustration....

Jan.
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"EldredP" wrote...
> <snip>
> My BRM and Honda times are dragging down my MonsterRank... :(

by **Robi** » Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:04:50

> > Merge? GPL newbie question of the month for me, but... how do I merge
> > replays?
> > Regards,
> > Robin

> With GPL Replay Analyser. Martin Granberg announced version 4.7 here
> today.
> A "must have" for GPL.
> Btw, I have a merged replay at the ring with my pb and Eldred's, and this
> looks like close racing too, but I seriously doubt it would make anybody
> awestruck!
> Watching Greger's actually make me carsick, and I have never got that in
> a real car, although I know some terrible drivers!
> \?l
> GPLrank+11,82
> "Prognosis Negative"

Wow, I have had GPLRA for a while but didn't realize this feature existed. I
must admit I haven't used it for much more than comparing my lap to other
fast laps I've dl'd to see where I am losing major time. Is this a new
feature in the recently released version or could I have been doing this for
a while now... feeling sheepish.
Regards,
Robin

by **Eldre** » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:58:26

>In absolute terms, yes, however, relatively speaking, your Honda times are
>better than your Cooper and Eagle times. Ergo, I hold it would be easier to
>claw back time by concentrating on these cars than on the Honda.

>Do a back to back with me to see what I mean. Lotus, Honda and Brabham are
>your "stronger" cars, followed by the BRM. Ferrari, Eagle and Cooper are
>your weaker marques in relative terms, IMO.

Interesting. The cars you call my 'weaker' cars are the ones I have the most
seat time in. I started in the Eagle, and used it for the longest time.
Switched to the Ferrari almost exclusively when Alison shared her setups. And,
I've been in a Cooper league for 3 seasons...<g>

Ok, I'll see which Honda setup I use. I don't drive it enough to remember...

Sweet? If you say so... :-)

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:22:31

But... but... that doesn't make sense! The cars one's most familiar with
should have, again: relatively speaking, the best chassis ranks. I too have
used Ferrari and Cooper almost exclusively in competition, hence they are my
*best* chassis. I had hardly any experience in the Lotus, Brabham or Honda
and it shows. For you it seems the other way 'round... perhaps you've become
too "defensive" when driving cars who's quirks you know best?

Honestly, from my sample of MonsterRank "owners" in the 275-350 brackett
your Brabham and Honda times stacked up rather well, whereas most were quite
a bit faster than you in the Eagle and Cooper. Try it for yourself. I
couldn't possibly have picked every single dud Honda driver in this range by
accident, surely? ;-)

Thanks... I'm trying to forget how badly I drove it. <g>

Must admit I had a little trouble finding a sweet spot when I did the
MonsterRank (using 45/xx setups, like I do now... Jens thinks I'm an alien
for doing so ;-)) similar to my erstwhile 85/45 setups and ended up not
entirely happy. Let me get back to you on that (after I finish my F2 MR...).

Jan.
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by **Jonny Hodgso** » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:30:41

MR...).

How do you guys find time to do MRs, out of curiosity? I've just done
mine in F1 - but I'm a graduate waiting to start my job, and I spent
an *entire* *week* running the car/track combos I hadn't already
done...

Admittedly it helped my overall 'Rank lots - but I must have spent a
working week on it.

Jonny

by **Eldre** » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:31:04

>How do you guys find time to do MRs, out of curiosity? I've just done
>mine in F1 - but I'm a graduate waiting to start my job, and I spent
>an *entire* *week* running the car/track combos I hadn't already
>done...

I've had the game since it's been out(almost 3 years). When the MonsterRank
came out, I'd already done all the tracks in everything but the Honda and BRM.
I just took a weekend and ran a few laps with both cars just to get times.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:31:04

>Honestly, from my sample of MonsterRank "owners" in the 275-350 brackett
>your Brabham and Honda times stacked up rather well, whereas most were quite
>a bit faster than you in the Eagle and Cooper. Try it for yourself. I
>couldn't possibly have picked every single dud Honda driver in this range by
>accident, surely? ;-)

It could be that they're just better drivers who driver the Eagle and Cooper
all the time, and don't have many laps with the other cars. If they put in the
time, they'd probably be WAY higher than me in the MonsterRank.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

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by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:41:50

As far as I'm concerned the answer is pretty simple: I don't spend nearly as
much time on it and spread it out more. If I had the mental stamina to run
to my usual standard for 8-9hours on end, I could easily do a MonsterRank
from scratch in that timeframe. As I do work full-time on a self-employed
basis, do spend time with friends and family and have other interests
outside simracing, I tend to spread it out more as time allows. Few tracks
in a certain chassis at a time. In view of the longlevity of GPL, I assume
time to be on my side. Basically, when I get bored or stuck doing something
else, I just clamp my wheel to my desk and clear my mind for about an hour.

Jan.
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