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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:22:08

After watching the Talladega race yesterday I have questions as to how
accurate the drafting is on the SS tracks.

Earnhardt was able to hold off and even pull away slightly from an entire
field of cars all locked together in one tight group. He was even stepping
out of the draft and yet other cars who were locked tight together in their
own line couldn't pass him. In N2002, you can suck in and blow by the lead
car very easily while drafting with just one or two other cars, let alone a
huge field, especially if the lead car gets out of the draft even just a
bit.

Also, the real drivers were going three wide around the entire track lap
after lap with little change in order. If I am in the middle in N2002, it's
like I get sling shotted forward and past the inside and outside cars. So
much so that I have to use a decent amount of brake to stay under control if
there are cars in front of me.

Something definitely seems wrong to me. Am I the only one who noticed this?

David G Fisher

by **DTP** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:34:14

Hi David. Yeah, I noticed this too, but I think it has more to do with the
fact that in real life all of the cars are slightly different from each
other, where as in the game all of the cars are identical, so none of us has
any advantage over our competitors. Junior had a better car and the field
behind him just didn't have what it needed to get past him. Also near the
end of the race he had Michael Waltrip doing an incredible amount of
blocking to help him out. Am I the only one that thought it odd that Michael
was able to go from 26th to second in a matter of a few laps and then just
stayed there? On a number of occasions I watched him come flying up on
Juniors bumper at a much greater rate of speed and could easily have passed
him, but chose not to. It seemed obvious to me that Michael had what it
takes to get the job done, but for whatever reason stayed where he was. Team
orders perhaps? Who knows. But the one thing that really struck me as odd
was when DW was interviewing Michael during the red flag stop near the end
of the race. Michael said that he felt confident that he could win the race,
but the tone of his voice told another story. He sounded like he had just
lost his best friend. Instead of being jubilant and e***d about his
prospects of winning, he certainly didn't sound that way. But then again it
could have been fatigue and nothing more. Again, who knows. Anyone else
notice these things?

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See ya in the pits,
Dean

I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:23:41

"DTP" . But the one thing that really struck me as odd
Teresa Earnhardt runs DEI now, Dale Jr is NOT her son, but a step-son,
perhaps the "boss" is making sure the family dynamics don't get too ugly.
And that means family friend's like Waltrip block just like Dale Sr. did
last year.
dave henrie
dave henrie

by **MadDAW** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:53:11

Keep in mind that NR2002 was based off of last years version of the ever
changing aero rules. Last year they had the wicker bill and roof deflector
to open up a much larger hole in the air for the car behind to suck up.

MadDAWG

by **John Pancoas** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:58:34

Maybe, but I'd be VERY surprised if this was so. Most of the time, most
of the drives don't want to lead unless they have to, because they'll just
get shuffled back sooner or later.
That, and the fact that these races are chess matches more than anything;
being in the right place, at the right time, etc.

In terms of Jr.'s lead, etc., the cars behind never stayed in a
single-line long enough to catch him; they kept racing each other instead,
and that's guaranteed to not catch anyone.
Plus, Jr. drives a DEI car; no one's better at building SS cars :)

-John

by **ThreeWid** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:51:00

As NASCAR changes rules quite often with the aero packages, the dynamics of
the draft also change.

I recall one race recently where running in the middle worked well, but now
it no longer does.

With all cars being equal, certainly 2 that are in line can get by 1 single
car. But in reality yesterday Jr's car was very strong. Michael COULD have
passed him but then as they would then be side-by-side, others could have
also gotten in the mix which was not what they wanted. About 41 other
drivers would have loved the chance to ride in second all day as Michael
did. It's all about teamwork.

by **ThreeWid** » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:56:07

I saw the race in person, so I didn't find that very unusual.

Michael had the best piece out there on Sunday. Anyone can get shuffled
back by making the wrong move as he did.

At that point there was a lot of cars running single-file. To get back up
front, he took it upon himself to go inside alone. Those guys are not
stupid, when you see the fast guy start a line low you go with him and let
him pull you to the front. Kyle Petty was the first taker and after that
others followed. A couple of laps later Michael was back up front.

Instead of passing Jr, he just got right back in behind him again and all of
his followers were hung out to dry.

> Hi David. Yeah, I noticed this too, but I think it has more to do with the
> fact that in real life all of the cars are slightly different from each
> other, where as in the game all of the cars are identical, so none of us
has
> any advantage over our competitors. Junior had a better car and the field
> behind him just didn't have what it needed to get past him. Also near the
> end of the race he had Michael Waltrip doing an incredible amount of
> blocking to help him out. Am I the only one that thought it odd that
Michael
> was able to go from 26th to second in a matter of a few laps and then just
> stayed there? On a number of occasions I watched him come flying up on
> Juniors bumper at a much greater rate of speed and could easily have
passed
> him, but chose not to. It seemed obvious to me that Michael had what it
> takes to get the job done, but for whatever reason stayed where he was.
Team
> orders perhaps? Who knows. But the one thing that really struck me as odd
> was when DW was interviewing Michael during the red flag stop near the end
> of the race. Michael said that he felt confident that he could win the
race,
> but the tone of his voice told another story. He sounded like he had just
> lost his best friend. Instead of being jubilant and e***d about his
> prospects of winning, he certainly didn't sound that way. But then again
it
> could have been fatigue and nothing more. Again, who knows. Anyone else
> notice these things?

> --
> See ya in the pits,
> Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > After watching the Talladega race yesterday I have questions as to how
> > accurate the drafting is on the SS tracks.

> > Earnhardt was able to hold off and even pull away slightly from an
entire
> > field of cars all locked together in one tight group. He was even
stepping
> > out of the draft and yet other cars who were locked tight together in
> their
> > own line couldn't pass him. In N2002, you can suck in and blow by the
lead
> > car very easily while drafting with just one or two other cars, let
alone
> a
> > huge field, especially if the lead car gets out of the draft even just a
> > bit.

> > Also, the real drivers were going three wide around the entire track lap
> > after lap with little change in order. If I am in the middle in N2002,
> it's
> > like I get sling shotted forward and past the inside and outside cars.
So
> > much so that I have to use a decent amount of brake to stay under
control
> if
> > there are cars in front of me.

> > Something definitely seems wrong to me. Am I the only one who noticed
> this?

> > David G Fisher

by **ramb** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:45:47

Of course its team work, f you havent noticed, how many times have Earnhardt
and Waltrip finished 1 - 2, its their strategy every time

> As NASCAR changes rules quite often with the aero packages, the dynamics
of
> the draft also change.

> I recall one race recently where running in the middle worked well, but
now
> it no longer does.

> With all cars being equal, certainly 2 that are in line can get by 1
single
> car. But in reality yesterday Jr's car was very strong. Michael COULD
have
> passed him but then as they would then be side-by-side, others could have
> also gotten in the mix which was not what they wanted. About 41 other
> drivers would have loved the chance to ride in second all day as Michael
> did. It's all about teamwork.

> > After watching the Talladega race yesterday I have questions as to how
> > accurate the drafting is on the SS tracks.

> > Earnhardt was able to hold off and even pull away slightly from an
entire
> > field of cars all locked together in one tight group. He was even
stepping
> > out of the draft and yet other cars who were locked tight together in
> their
> > own line couldn't pass him. In N2002, you can suck in and blow by the
lead
> > car very easily while drafting with just one or two other cars, let
alone
> a
> > huge field, especially if the lead car gets out of the draft even just a
> > bit.

> > Also, the real drivers were going three wide around the entire track lap
> > after lap with little change in order. If I am in the middle in N2002,
> it's
> > like I get sling shotted forward and past the inside and outside cars.
So
> > much so that I have to use a decent amount of brake to stay under
control
> if
> > there are cars in front of me.

> > Something definitely seems wrong to me. Am I the only one who noticed
> this?

> > David G Fisher

by **myn..** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:05:20

> Of course its team work, f you havent noticed, how many times have
> Earnhardt and Waltrip finished 1 - 2, its their strategy every time

I hope in Daytona on July 6, it's Mikey's turn to win -
I'd love to hear him and Darryl ham it up afterwards,
in Fox's last broadcast of the year.

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by **DTP** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:10:15

Gonna see that one live. Got my tickets and airfare already booked. WOHOO!!

--
See ya in the pits,
Dean

I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.

> > Of course its team work, f you havent noticed, how many times have
> > Earnhardt and Waltrip finished 1 - 2, its their strategy every time

> I hope in Daytona on July 6, it's Mikey's turn to win -
> I'd love to hear him and Darryl ham it up afterwards,
> in Fox's last broadcast of the year.

> --
> Doug Appleyard
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by **Admi** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:02:09

Actually the 2002 rules are in NR2002, the closing rate isn't nearly as fast
without the roof fin and Gourney Flap (wicker bill) and we have smaller
plates. I can tell all this in the game. In N4 you could just suck right up
to the bumper of the guy in front of you, in NR2002 it takes a lot more time
to run them down and you have to stay right in their wake to do even that.

My vote goes to NR2002 having the rules as laid out before the 500 in
Febraury.

by **FerretBil** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:52:42

Seems pretty accurate to me. Remember Jr. was getting pushed by the cars
behind him as well. And DEI are the kings, and queen now, of restrictor
plate racing. And look what happened to Schrader when of all things a piece
of his rollbar fell on his ignition switch and cut his car off. He fell way
back of the tail end of the draft, and within 15-laps or so was lapped. Has
happened to me racing Daytona. Well not the rollbar thing ya know.

Bill

by **The Other Larr** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:22:16

No, I think it's this years rules.

And I hate them. I've never sucked at Talladega until now :)

-Larry

by GK » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:24:42

In NASCAR WC, if two lines are running say down the backstretch, a car that ends
up in the middle (by himself) of the two lines generally falls back fast. (stuck
in the middle). In NR2002, being in the middle shoots you to the front.

Seems backwards to me, imho and experience in the game.

Gary

> > Keep in mind that NR2002 was based off of last years version of the ever
> > changing aero rules. Last year they had the wicker bill and roof deflector
> > to open up a much larger hole in the air for the car behind to suck up.

> > MadDAWG

> Actually the 2002 rules are in NR2002, the closing rate isn't nearly as fast
> without the roof fin and Gourney Flap (wicker bill) and we have smaller
> plates. I can tell all this in the game. In N4 you could just suck right up
> to the bumper of the guy in front of you, in NR2002 it takes a lot more time
> to run them down and you have to stay right in their wake to do even that.

> My vote goes to NR2002 having the rules as laid out before the 500 in
> Febraury.

by **ymenar** » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:30:21

> In NASCAR WC, if two lines are running say down the backstretch, a car
that ends
> up in the middle (by himself) of the two lines generally falls back fast.
(stuck
> in the middle). In NR2002, being in the middle shoots you to the front.

No. In NR2002, being in the middle of a 3-wide shoots you into the wall
evidently.

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