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N2002 Drafting Accurate?

Admi

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Admi » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:12:04


> In NASCAR WC, if two lines are running say down the backstretch, a car
that ends
> up in the middle (by himself) of the two lines generally falls back fast.
(stuck
> in the middle).  In NR2002, being in the middle shoots you to the front.

> Seems backwards to me, imho and experience in the game.

> Gary

While I agree the middle lane appears inaccurate in the game, it has nothing
to do with the current aero rules, it has more to do with the cone of air
being put out by two cars running side by side up front. Even without the
roof fins, two cars side by side can knock a whole in the air big enough to
benefit someone that comes up between them since the "cone" of air for each
of the front cars is overlapping and therefore clearing the way for the
middle lane. This will benefit someone in that position, but they should not
be able to pass (provided there are two lines of cars around him, not just 2
cars) unless they are getting a push from behind. If a third person comes up
the middle on 2 single cars side by side, then a pass through the middle is
possible since each of those two cars are dragging their own air, they are
also collectively are knocking an overlapping "whole" in the air between
them that a third car could benefit from...I have seen 3rd place cars make a
pass that way in the sim and real life. But a lone car in the middle of 2
LINES of cars, will or should get dropped without help from behind. I did
observe that in a league race at Tally just last week, the middle lane needs
pushers just like the inside and outside lanes...
Glen Pittma

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Glen Pittma » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:43:42

I disagree.  Years ago that was the case, but lately the middle has moved
just as well, and even better at times than the other two lines.


> In NASCAR WC, if two lines are running say down the backstretch, a car
that ends
> up in the middle (by himself) of the two lines generally falls back fast.
(stuck
> in the middle).  In NR2002, being in the middle shoots you to the front.

> Seems backwards to me, imho and experience in the game.

> Gary




> > > Keep in mind that NR2002 was based off of last years version of the
ever
> > > changing aero rules. Last year they had the wicker bill and roof
deflector
> > > to open up a much larger hole in the air for the car behind to suck
up.

> > > MadDAWG

> > Actually the 2002 rules are in NR2002, the closing rate isn't nearly as
fast
> > without the roof fin and Gourney Flap (wicker bill) and we have smaller
> > plates. I can tell all this in the game. In N4 you could just suck right
up
> > to the bumper of the guy in front of you, in NR2002 it takes a lot more
time
> > to run them down and you have to stay right in their wake to do even
that.

> > My vote goes to NR2002 having the rules as laid out before the 500 in
> > Febraury.

John Pancoas

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by John Pancoas » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:09:51

  Yep.  Earnhardt(Sr.) proved that more than once.

-John


> I disagree.  Years ago that was the case, but lately the middle has moved
> just as well, and even better at times than the other two lines.




> > In NASCAR WC, if two lines are running say down the backstretch, a car
> that ends
> > up in the middle (by himself) of the two lines generally falls back
fast.
> (stuck
> > in the middle).  In NR2002, being in the middle shoots you to the front.

> > Seems backwards to me, imho and experience in the game.

> > Gary




> > > > Keep in mind that NR2002 was based off of last years version of the
> ever
> > > > changing aero rules. Last year they had the wicker bill and roof
> deflector
> > > > to open up a much larger hole in the air for the car behind to suck
> up.

> > > > MadDAWG

> > > Actually the 2002 rules are in NR2002, the closing rate isn't nearly
as
> fast
> > > without the roof fin and Gourney Flap (wicker bill) and we have
smaller
> > > plates. I can tell all this in the game. In N4 you could just suck
right
> up
> > > to the bumper of the guy in front of you, in NR2002 it takes a lot
more
> time
> > > to run them down and you have to stay right in their wake to do even
> that.

> > > My vote goes to NR2002 having the rules as laid out before the 500 in
> > > Febraury.

Admi

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Admi » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:41:28


>   Yep.  Earnhardt(Sr.) proved that more than once.

> -John



> > I disagree.  Years ago that was the case, but lately the middle has
moved
> > just as well, and even better at times than the other two lines.

True enough guys, but I think the poster was speaking to 1 guy moving up the
middle. With a line of cars, it is still possible to move through the middle
and goes with my theory about the outside two lines knocking a big air
'cone' into the air that overlaps and allows dead air to be between them.

I don't have the original post in front of me, but I think he was
questioning how 1 car could come up between 2 lines. That's nearly
impossible, but a line of cars, that's common place IMO.

John Pancoas

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by John Pancoas » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:47:16

  Ah, if so, yep, you're/he's right.  Sorry about that.

-John


Kevin Anderso

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Kevin Anderso » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:58:36

In real life they are constantly changing the rules. The game was based on
one set of rules and has not changed. It may have been very similar to the
aero rules that were used when the game was designed.

--
Kevin Anderson



Eldre

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Eldre » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:48:07



>> Of course its team work, f you havent noticed, how many times have
>> Earnhardt and Waltrip finished 1 - 2, its their strategy every time

>I hope in Daytona on July 6, it's Mikey's turn to win -
>I'd love to hear him and Darryl ham it up afterwards,
>in Fox's last broadcast of the year.

Yeah, it would be great to see one that Mikey could actually *enjoy*.  He
didn't get the chance on his last win...  :-(

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Gerald Moo

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Gerald Moo » Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:12:11

OMG, tell me about it.  I used to finish top 5 on a regular basis.
The draft is much harder to catch now.  Maybe I just took too much
time off from SS racing, but I am having a very hard time with the
supers in NR2002.

Gerald


> No, I think it's this years rules.

> And I hate them.  I've never sucked at Talladega until now :)

> -Larry



> > Keep in mind that NR2002 was based off of last years version of the ever
> > changing aero rules. Last year they had the wicker bill and roof deflector
> > to open up a much larger hole in the air for the car behind to suck up.

> > MadDAWG

Eldre

N2002 Drafting Accurate?

by Eldre » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:38:54



>On a number of occasions I watched him come flying up on
>Juniors bumper at a much greater rate of speed and could easily have passed
>him, but chose not to. It seemed obvious to me that Michael had what it
>takes to get the job done, but for whatever reason stayed where he was. Team
>orders perhaps? Who knows. But the one thing that really struck me as odd
>was when DW was interviewing Michael during the red flag stop near the end
>of the race. Michael said that he felt confident that he could win the race,
>but the tone of his voice told another story. He sounded like he had just
>lost his best friend. Instead of being jubilant and e***d about his
>prospects of winning, he certainly didn't sound that way. But then again it
>could have been fatigue and nothing more. Again, who knows. Anyone else
>notice these things?

I got the impression from Mikey's demeanor/tone that there might have been team
orders involved.  I don't think he could have passed Little E easily, but he
never really TRIED...

Eldred
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