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Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

rrevve

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by rrevve » Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Excellent post, Lorne, and I agree with 100% of
what you say.

>First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
>PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the way

>want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff down....
>this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may be
>some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
>best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
>system could run the game with everything maxed out.

>I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how close
>it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI is
>the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
>that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this AI
>and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope there
>is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online. I
>just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he was
>using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does  OFFline,
>and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
>from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
>short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
>real tracks, they are close enough for me).

>Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I read
>many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that "fun"
>is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
>?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if they
>drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any other
>sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
>purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
>people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not so
>much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
>info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
>they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just a
>computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference. I
>tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it, but
>it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far from
>it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so I
>didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the near
>future. Ok rant over :)

>I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past (I
>dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them (if
>others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel F1-2000
>offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
>the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I believe]
>it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I think
>it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to tell
>someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

>As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
>Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God knows
>they have been working on it long enough).
>But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might not
>win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just a
>few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
>playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

>All the best,
>Lorne

--
* rrev at mindspring dot com *
Lorne Glustei

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Lorne Glustei » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the way

want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff down....
this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may be
some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
system could run the game with everything maxed out.

I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how close
it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI is
the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this AI
and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope there
is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online. I
just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he was
using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does  OFFline,
and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
real tracks, they are close enough for me).

Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I read
many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that "fun"
is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if they
drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any other
sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not so
much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just a
computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference. I
tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it, but
it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far from
it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so I
didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the near
future. Ok rant over :)

I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past (I
dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them (if
others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel F1-2000
offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I believe]
it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I think
it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to tell
someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God knows
they have been working on it long enough).
But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might not
win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just a
few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

All the best,
Lorne

James Pickar

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by James Pickar » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Well said...

Yes the AI in F1 2000 suck..  but I haven't raced AI in about 2 years.. no
point.

The Multiplayer in F12k is GREAT!!..  the code is.  but the lack of practise
session or qualifying session kinda sucks...  Hopefully they can fix that
witha patch...  we'll c

Other than that...  I love this SIM online..  very fun and realistic

James


> First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
> PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the
way

> want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff
down....
> this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may
be
> some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
> best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
> system could run the game with everything maxed out.

> I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how
close
> it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI
is
> the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
> that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this
AI
> and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope there
> is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online.
I
> just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he
was
> using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does  OFFline,
> and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
> from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
> short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
> real tracks, they are close enough for me).

> Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I
read
> many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that
"fun"
> is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
> ?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if
they
> drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any
other
> sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
> purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
> people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not
so
> much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
> info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
> they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just
a
> computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference.
I
> tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it, but
> it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far
from
> it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so
I
> didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the
near
> future. Ok rant over :)

> I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past
(I
> dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them
(if
> others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel
F1-2000
> offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
> the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I
believe]
> it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I
think
> it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to
tell
> someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

> As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
> Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God knows
> they have been working on it long enough).
> But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might
not
> win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just a
> few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
> playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

> All the best,
> Lorne

Iain Mackenzi

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Iain Mackenzi » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Me too!
Iain



> Excellent post, Lorne, and I agree with 100% of
> what you say.

> >First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
> >PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the
way

> >want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff
down....
> >this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may
be
> >some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
> >best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
> >system could run the game with everything maxed out.

> >I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how
close
> >it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI
is
> >the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
> >that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this
AI
> >and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope
there
> >is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online.
I
> >just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he
was
> >using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does
OFFline,
> >and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
> >from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
> >short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
> >real tracks, they are close enough for me).

> >Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I
read
> >many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that
"fun"
> >is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
> >?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if
they
> >drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any
other
> >sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
> >purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
> >people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not
so
> >much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
> >info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
> >they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just
a
> >computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference.
I
> >tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it,
but
> >it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far
from
> >it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so
I
> >didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the
near
> >future. Ok rant over :)

> >I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past
(I
> >dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them
(if
> >others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel
F1-2000
> >offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
> >the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I
believe]
> >it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I
think
> >it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to
tell
> >someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

> >As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
> >Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God
knows
> >they have been working on it long enough).
> >But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might
not
> >win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just
a
> >few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
> >playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

> >All the best,
> >Lorne

> --
> * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Dave

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Dave » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I agree with everything you said.The self proclaimed experts on RAS need to take
a breath and step back and realise it's about the fun,enjoyment of
driving-racing.I picked up F1-2000 today and am enjoying the hell out of
it,despite what has been said.Remember the saying,"opinions are like asses",well
it sure is true!
Dave K
Mike Blackmor

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Mike Blackmor » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Spot on, my thoughts exactly

Regards Mike


>First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
>PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the way

>want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff down....
>this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may be
>some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
>best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
>system could run the game with everything maxed out.

>I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how close
>it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI is
>the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
>that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this AI
>and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope there
>is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online. I
>just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he was
>using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does  OFFline,
>and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
>from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
>short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
>real tracks, they are close enough for me).

>Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I read
>many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that "fun"
>is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
>?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if they
>drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any other
>sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
>purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
>people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not so
>much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
>info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
>they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just a
>computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference. I
>tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it, but
>it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far from
>it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so I
>didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the near
>future. Ok rant over :)

>I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past (I
>dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them (if
>others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel F1-2000
>offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
>the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I believe]
>it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I think
>it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to tell
>someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

>As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
>Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God knows
>they have been working on it long enough).
>But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might not
>win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just a
>few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
>playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

>All the best,
>Lorne

Lorne Glustei

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Lorne Glustei » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Hey Guys,
Good point James... I would also love to be able to qualify online, that
would really be amazing. I actually think all of my F1 online dreams would
have be answered had they implemented that feature. I wonder why they chose
not to include it as an online option....seems to me like it wouldnt have
been very hard to do. Is this something you guys feel could be fixed/added
by a 3rd party, or do you think it will need to be adressed with a patch ?.
A patch is going to be needed for the AI [thats for sure!!]  I just dont see
any way they can avoid it, so lets hope they fix/add some other things at
the same time. It`s a real shame (for us and the developers) that they got
the AI all wrong (it`s like the AI drivers are on *** - how did it ship
like that ? ) because had the AI been spot on I dont think this sim would be
getting nearly as many negative comments as it has been getting... With the
AI drivers sucking the way they do I think it`s very understandable why many
people get a negative first impression of this sim (it`s hard to get a
positive first impression of a "sim" when you would sware that all the top
drivers in the world you are racing against are drunk ;). Also, some people
are talking about how some of the tracks are way to dark.... I`ll  admit
that I wish Monaco had a more upbeat look... but I`m happy that each track
has it`s "own look", because with many sim`s I`ve found that with the
exception of layout all the tracks look almost the same (so I can live with
a dark dreary Monaco, I might even start to like it ). On a positive note
there are a few other things I have noticed about  F1-2000 that I think are
worth mentioning. This was brought up in another thread... but have you
noticed the amount of spectators in the stands changes depending on what
day\time you are at the track. Another thing I like is that your head moves
forward and backward in relation to braking\acceleration forces...  I think
this helps to make for a very realistic driving sensation. The only other
sim I know of (correct me if I`m wrong) that had anything like this was
CPR....and in that sim I think it was a good thing they had an option to
turn it off ;)

Anyway..... if anyone would like to hook up for some online racing my ICQ#
is:17082631
I should warn ya that I`m only running the Brazil track right now.... but
next week I`m off to Imola  =o)

All the best guys,
Lorne

mas..

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by mas.. » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Here Here!  (or is it Hear Hear, or Hear Here or ...)

Some odds and ends:

It is still nice to read technical reasons on why one thinks one sim has
better phyiscs, realism, etc.  The problem is usually separating truth from
speculation and gauging the writer's expertise.

SCGT had serious AI problems itself.  Too aggresive, too clueless on the same
corner, lap after lap.  Still, while frustrating,  I enjoy it to this day.

If it is an AI aggresiveness problem or similar, can it be improved by
changing the drivers' aggression and ability ratings as offered in SCGT?

Maybe I'll find out...if I can ever get any of the newer D3D games working
with my C300a/450, Banshee, dx7a system working, grrrr...

GP3?  I sure hope Crammond bags that computertime/realtime engine (my #1
diatribe).

rrevve

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by rrevve » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>GP3?  I sure hope Crammond bags that computertime/realtime engine (my #1
>diatribe).

Amen.

If he is still using that design philosophy, I would never buy it.
BTW, Nascar 2000 does the SAME thing, just like NR.
What a joke.

--
* rrev at mindspring dot com *

Michael E. Carve

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Michael E. Carve » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


<snip>
% a dark dreary Monaco, I might even start to like it ). On a positive note
% there are a few other things I have noticed about  F1-2000 that I think are
% worth mentioning. This was brought up in another thread... but have you
% noticed the amount of spectators in the stands changes depending on what
% day\time you are at the track. Another thing I like is that your head moves
% forward and backward in relation to braking\acceleration forces...  I think
% this helps to make for a very realistic driving sensation. The only other
% sim I know of (correct me if I`m wrong) that had anything like this was
% CPR....and in that sim I think it was a good thing they had an option to
% turn it off ;)

My memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I know the ICR1 and NASCAR
had this feature and I am rather foggy as to if Indianapolis 500 the
Simulation included this as well.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./.  [-  < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Iain Mackenzi

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Iain Mackenzi » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

GPL is a fantastic sim - I have played it more or less every day since it
was released, but that doen't mean that other (very different) sims don't
have their merits too!
Iain


Aubre

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Aubre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

(sorry if I sent this twice.  Looks like it didn't go thru the first time.)

No opinion on F1-2000 here.  Haven't tried it.

However, I for one, am very glad that people in this NG *** and whine
about the games they don't like.  And the more profanity they use, the
better. :o) That's the way it should be.  I can't stand reading
"professional" reviews of games.  They're rediculous.  They are always far,
far, far too enthusiastic about any given game.  Just speculating here, but
you see, the game producers are not going to send a reviewer a game if they
think said reviewer is going to say bad things about it.  So it's in the
reviewer's interest to say very nice things about a game every chance they
get.

So it's pretty sweet to have a place where I can find out about all the
ugly, ***, obnoxious problems with any particular game before I buy it.
God bless r.a.s.

BTW, if you take offense to some goofball's scathing remarks about your
favorite sim, you just might be taking this whole thing too seriously.

-A


> First off, I would like to say that I have an Athlon 750, TNT2U, 128Mb
> PC133, IBM 27.3Gb  system, and I own [MANY] games that will not run the
way

> want the game to run as smooth as it can I need to turn some stuff
down....
> this is nothing new for me (am I the only one ?). While I agree there may
be
> some issues with bad code in F1-2000... I`m happy EA chose to give us the
> best possible graphics, rather than toning them down so that an average
> system could run the game with everything maxed out.

> I think the "feel" of the F1-2000 car is great.... I have no idea how
close
> it is to a real F1 car but I know I have a lot of fun driving it. The AI
is
> the main problem with this sim and I dont think there is any doubt about
> that. For the life of me I dont know how they could ship a game with this
AI
> and I dont think I will ever be able to figure it out either. I hope there
> is a patch.... but if not I`ll be more than happy to do my racing online.
I
> just finished racing a guy located on the other side of the world and he
was
> using 56k dial-up (I have cable). The game ran just like it does  OFFline,
> and let me tell ya...it was FUN. Also, having all the cars\drivers\tracks
> from the just underway real F1 season [right out of the box] is nothing
> short of fantastic (even if the tracks are not "100%" true copies of the
> real tracks, they are close enough for me).

> Now I dont want to start anything up..... but I must admit that when I
read
> many of the threads in RAS I feel that many people seem to forget that
"fun"
> is what it`s really all about (is anyone getting paid to drive a sim
> ?...maybe a few, but not many I`m sure). Some people seem to act as if
they
> drive for the top team (GPL)...they have made it to the top...and any
other
> sim (or sometimes even sim driver) is worthless. I dont think this is the
> purpose of RAS and it would be nice to see more of a coming together of
> people talking about why they have fun with one sim over another and not
so
> much looking for ways to cut someone down.....IMO having fun and sharing
> info is what it`s all about. It`s almost as if some GPL players feel that
> they are actually driving a "real" car and anything else (so far) is just
a
> computer game....and I hardly believe there is that much of a difference.
I
> tried GPL when it first came out ....and yeah I was impressed with it, but
> it didnt make me feel that sims like GP2 and F1RS were worthless... far
from
> it. Btw, at the time GPL came out it didnt run that well on my system, so
I
> didnt get right into it....but I do plan to give it another try in the
near
> future. Ok rant over :)

> I think there have been many lame attempts at making F1 sims in the past
(I
> dont need to list the names) and I did not have fun with any one of them
(if
> others did, all the power to ya, thats what it`s all about). I feel
F1-2000
> offers enough "sim fun" to place alongside GP2, F1RS, and MGPRS as one of
> the best modern F1 sim`s made to date.... and if the AI is fixed [I
believe]
> it will jump to the top of the podium in a heartbeat. Does that mean I
think
> it`s "the best"..... maybe for me it will be.... but I sure wont try to
tell
> someone that likes another sim that they are wasting their time with it.

> As a side note..... I have a feeling that GP3 is going to be a great
> Sim....and I think that many people are thinking the same thing (God knows
> they have been working on it long enough).
> But without a fast simple (good working) way to play online....it might
not
> win me over...It`s also not going to have FF support. . . These are just a
> few more reasons I feel F1-2000 is worth looking into if you are sick of
> playing GP2, F1RS, MGPRS, etc.

> All the best,
> Lorne

mas..

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by mas.. » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


><snip>
>% On a positive note
>% there are a few other things I have noticed about  F1-2000 that I think are
>% worth mentioning. This was brought up in another thread... but have you
>% noticed the amount of spectators in the stands changes depending on what
>% day\time you are at the track.

When I was at the Montreal GP two years back, the entire place was jam-packed
for all practices.  Well, at least the general admission areas were 10+ deep.  
Maybe the high-rollers in the Gold seats didn't come till later.  And this was
a year when Villeneuve was off-pace.  So...

Absolutely unrealistic!  Can't believe they blew this!  I'm returning it!

BTW, :-)

Jeff Vince

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Jeff Vince » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00



   A small counter-rant...  :)

   While you may find some GPL-Nazis, I think the vast majority of GPL
fans are pretty reasonable and helpful.  And, as we have seen, the
non-GPL community has enough anti-GPL-Nazis to balance them.  :)

   I find it interesting that you base your conclusions on GPL on only
a passing experience with it (and you really need a machine capable of
sustaining 30+ fps to begin to appreciate it)).  If I had a nickel for
every "I finally tried GPL and it's amazing!" post, I'd be rich.  It
usually takes 2-3 weeks of GPL to "get it".  Give it a serious try,
and I think you may change your tune a bit.

   Also, speaking of wanting online qualifying in F1-2000...  If you
got into GPL and ran in the GPLWS league, you could have had sessions
like this at Monza...

1  N. Canning  EAG  1:28.55  
2  A. Hine  EAG  1:28.64  
3  A. Bj?rnstad  EAG  1:28.78  
4  B. Horste  LOT  1:28.80  
5  P. Jenkins  EAG  1:28.88  
6  Y. XIE  EAG  1:29.27  
7  S. Lowery  EAG  1:29.31  
8  S. MacDougall  FER  1:29.52  
9  J. Moore  EAG  1:29.72  
10 M. Carver  REP  1:29.74  
11 R. McKee  FER  1:29.75  
12 G. Johnson  LOT  1:29.95  
13 J. McCabe  LOT  1:30.58  
14 I. Thieding  MUR  1:30.80  
15 J. Vincent  FER  1:31.11  
16 B. Tillman  BRM  1:31.85  
17 e. keller  COV  1:32.54  

   The race was even better, with 14 of 17 drivers completing all 11
laps and Alison nipping Neil by 0.42 seconds for the win.  If close,
competitive racing against real opponents isn't fun, I don't know what
is!  And that's just the Lites, the lowest/slowest of GPLWS's 3-4
divisions.  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Lorne Glustei

Some F1-2000 and GPL talk (notice I didnt say "VS" ;)

by Lorne Glustei » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I was only pointing out that this is something a little different and IMO
adds to the effect of making you feel like you are at a real event.....  In
most other F1 games the stands are either 100% full or 100% empty. . .

Lorne ;-)


> When I was at the Montreal GP two years back, the entire place was
jam-packed
> for all practices.  Well, at least the general admission areas were 10+
deep.
> Maybe the high-rollers in the Gold seats didn't come till later.  And this
was
> a year when Villeneuve was off-pace.  So...

> Absolutely unrealistic!  Can't believe they blew this!  I'm returning it!

> BTW, :-)


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