Hello, all:
It's my first time navigating around this newsgroup (what a find!) and I'm
reading a lot about this "F1rs." Seems like the greatest thing since sliced
cheese...is it available here in the States? If so, can anyone point me in
the right direction so I can pick up/order a copy like, yesterday?
Thank you in advance,
L.S.
It should be out soon in the stores, but if you want the U.K. version now,
you can call 1-800-UBI-SOFT for a copy. Make sure you download the 1.05
patch.
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> It should be out soon in the stores
Is any of this correct?
- Matt
>>Is any of this correct?
Apparently the 3D sound patch is not simply for 3D sound cards. But
mainly for the 3D sound card (I forget which one but I think it had a
french name) it was optomized for. I believe it would not work on a
Diamond 3D sound card. It should work on an Ensoniq PCI card
which should do 3D sound. Anyone try this on an Ensoniq PCI?
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> >> It should be out soon in the stores
> >It's my understanding (please correct me as required) that
> >the previous versions are 3dfx only, and the US
> >version will support more interfaces (or perhaps via a
> >patch).
> >Is any of this correct?
> >- Matt
> There are demos on the net that only support 3dfx.
Either the real game is much, much better than the demo or F1RS is an
overhyped game (NOT simulation). Graphics look very nice, car dynamics
are OK (demo does not allow tweaking), 'slow' grass is ludicrous, car
spin-o-rama is poor. If a future patch fixes these problems the game
will advance to the status of simulation. There are a lot of
improvements over GP2 nonetheless. When is Ubisoft F1 98 coming along?
The real F1 '98 season starts in one month.
Keith.
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I agree with you that F1RS is already the best F1 sim for a PC, period...
others would argue. But for me the slow grass thing is more of a
medium-to-big deal. I would like to see a fix included in a patch. I
understand some think it is there to discourage cutting the course (probably
is), but it seems to me 1) it's an unrealistic model of placing a wheel off
the track, which I and apparently the real F1 drivers do too, occasionally,
if I'm to believe what I see on TV, and 2), it seems to me the loss of
traction, both while on the grass/dirt and the grass/dirt that sticks to the
tires are enough of a discourgement.
I think Ubisoft used the same model for grass/dirt as they used for the
sand/gravel traps and they ought to fix it.
>>Either the real game is much, much better than the demo or F1RS is an
>>overhyped game (NOT simulation). Graphics look very nice, car dynamics
>>are OK (demo does not allow tweaking), 'slow' grass is ludicrous, car
>>spin-o-rama is poor. If a future patch fixes these problems the game
>>will advance to the status of simulation. There are a lot of
>Please. The game is allready the best F1 simulator for the PC
>period. The slow grass isn't that big of a deal to me since I
>don't exactly go off anyway. The modeling of reduced traction
>after you go off the track is also one of F1RS's best features.
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>>improvements over GP2 nonetheless. When is Ubisoft F1 98 coming along?
>>The real F1 '98 season starts in one month.
F1RS may currently be the best F1 sim available for home use anywhere,
but this small design fault ('slow grass') detracts from the feel. I
think if Ubi want to penalise the driver for hitting the green stuff
they should model it more realistically- make it bumpy, and more likely
to spin you around than slow you down like glue.
Still, the sim's ace! :)
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My more immediate issue with F1RS is what happens in very slow (i.e.
mechanical grip) hairpin turns and why it is that I'll get low speed
mid-corner push conditions rather than wheelspin. Not sure why.
Working on this one.
Randy
I haven't played the demo, only the full version, but I'd be surprised
if your opinion changed much after the demo, and yes its a SIMULATION.
(soap box warning: I get VERY tired of people throwing around the
words "simulation" and "game" like they do "good" and "evil" in other
contexts -- the transition from an arcade game to a full blown sim is
not a light switch, its an analog meter. F1RS is at least 90% on the
simulation side of the scale....calling it an "overhyped game" is
going to be VERY hard for you to substantiate here.
So the spinning and the grass are really your main reasons for saying
this is just an "overhyped game" and not a "simulation"? Hm.
Randy
If you are concerned about the "cheeriness/brightness" factor, then race
in variable/rainy weather! It will get you depressed pretty quickly.
-Dan P
As was mentioned in another post, the variable weather definately
take away the brightness. Glad you appear to like it though.
Maybe it is REAL. Are you saying it is impossible to push in a slow
corner? If you crank the wheel too much it may be possible to push.
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> >As stated the demos were 3dfx only. The current version is DIrect3D
> >and will run on Direct3D cards. However, it seems to look cartoonish
> >on cards other than 3dfx. At least that is what I get from the reports here,
> >ie black outlines around trees. On my 3dfx card it looks darn close to
> >photo realistic.
> well, Greg, my second-hand Monster 3D came in a few days ago and I
> immediately installed it and the final version of F1RS for the 3DFX.
> So I think I can finally comment on D3D v 3DFX and Voodoo vs. Riva at
> least insofar as F1RS is concerned. The 3DFX version is definitely
> superior in every way to the D3D version. the mirrors work without
> freezing up my machine, the graphics are less cartoony and don't have
> those black outlines around the trees, as you indicated. And the
> brief hesitations in frame rate that I occassionally got are gone. So
> definitely 3DFX is the way to go for F1RS. On the flip side, I STILL
> think the F1RS is kind of cartoony in its brightness/cleanness. Its
> hard to pinpoint, but its almost like there is just an infinite amount
> of light cast on everything so everything is just so dang cheerily
> bright, if you know what I mean.
> My more immediate issue with F1RS is what happens in very slow (i.e.
> mechanical grip) hairpin turns and why it is that I'll get low speed
> mid-corner push conditions rather than wheelspin. Not sure why.
> Working on this one.
> Randy
yeah, the variable weather takes away a lot of things, mainly control
:)
I've found that with setup changes I can get the car more loose. This
brings up an interesting physics issue though. Logically, if you're
ALREADY going very slowly and you have mechanical but not aero grip,
and you apply throttle, the sequence of events is that first the rear
wheels turn, and they either spin because they break free of friction,
or they grip and thus push the car forward. My sense is that with
that much torque, a gentle throttle application probably won't do that
much to generate a push, but anything more than gentle should NOT
cause a push but rather wheelspin. (Think of it as trying to push
your car on an icy surface...your feet go everywhere but the car
stands still :) ). That's fundamentally my issue with push in low
speed turns in F1RS -- it appears that there is an increasing speed
understeer at low speeds, whereas I'd expect that if I accelerated
strong enough to push the front tires against their will, the rears
would spin first, whereas I can definitely understand push when you
carry too much speed INTO the corner. Again, setup helps alter the
handling here so none of this is absolute.
Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com
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