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And yeah, it is rather funny to speculate, but I have this feeling that this game
will be judged arcade no matter what. Nothing beats the pre-first imaginary
impression of sporadic screenshots :)

But why did they have to choose an era when Monza was during the sickest ? A 90
degrees turn and a chichane in the banking :( Noone seems to have the guts to give
us the real banked Monza layout.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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The GP cars did hillclimb races on gravel mountain passes in the Alps,
though. Hans Stuck was the "mountain king" with his double rear wheel
Auto Union. And that is something I would like to see in a sim!
(I once "raced" against a Testarossa up the south side of the
Timmelsjoch, and beat it with my 27hp motorcycle:
http://www.bawue.de/~matthead/xt/xt/ferrari.html )
That would be fun for online racing, a relatively short duel up the
hill.

The Mille Miglia was most interesting in the 1950 till the early
1970s, when the track became shorter (less than 40min), and the big
Porsche, Ferrari and Alfa sportscar prototypes competed there.
Insane, racing through villages at an average of 120km/h with cars
that could go over 300km/h at Le Mans, like a 512 S.
(See http://privat.swol.de/thomaskrimmer/targa.htm (in german) and
http://privat.swol.de/thomaskrimmer/racecar2.htm to get a taste of the
cars - and a public street race that makes modern racetracks look like
Kindergarten)

--
Matthias Flatt

http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/track_us.htm#Roosevelt Raceway

Mother of all Mickey Mouse Tracks in the World. Europeans refused to go to
America just for that

Tapani

: The Mille Miglia "circuit" would be a real challenge even for future
: hardware: I guesstimate a GPL track.dat would be about 900MB big,
: based on the figures of the 14mile & 13MB nurburg.dat.
: The Targa Florio should be possible - but not in a 1930 GP sim.
: The track back then was very long (AFAIR 90miles, laptimes over 2
: hours), and mostly gravel roads through mountains and villages.
: That would be considered Rallye today.
: And it was not used by GP cars, only sports cars.

Well, it remains to be seen how accurate they are, but Rally Championship
will squash hundreds of kilometers of photo-realistic data onto one CD.
Nobody would expect every bush to be correct, as long as the road is
accurate and the environment feels right, with a few key pieces of scenery
in the right locations.

Stephen

Yep the Carrera Panamerica.  A race that is still held, but now regulated.
It was banned for about 20years after the race was becoming too dangerous,
with tragedies after tragedies each year.  But now it has come back to life,
but regulates by a sporting association.

http://www.lacarrera.com/

If you want to know about the race, try to locate "Carrera Panamerica", a
video made by Pink Floyd, around 1990.  It has great music and never heard
before by Pink Floyd, since two of the band's members are big racing fans.
Nick Mason and David Gilmour.  They both own plenty of old sports cars,
especially Nick, and they both raced in the event.  David Gilmour almost
lost his life in a big car accident.  It's mostly a closed race around
Central America.  You have 2types of event.  Some time on closed circuit,
who are very dangerous (you know.. with a pit on one side and no guard
rails), other times it's on public road with _normal cars_ around you.  You
won't get stopped by the Police if you are a racer, but those guys are
racing at 90mph on public road, going into blind corners and cutting the
opposite lane as their apex without knowing if there is a big truck coming
on them.  A bunch of crazy freaks, IMHO :)  But it's an incredible video to
find, I recommend it to everybody, especially with Pink Floyd music :)

Would give anything to have a sim from that :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Arne you have an idea of how long this circuit is ?  It looks almost like
Monaco, I mean the same pattern, but in a very slight different layout.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

--
Arne Martin

Jan.
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Thanks for the link Francois.

Jan.
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Well....let's hope that the developers prove us all wrong.

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I think the screenshots that were published show us the glorious swiss
Bremgarten track at the gates of Bern. :) (Well, at least I hope so :)

-Thorsten

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