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> Thanks for the additional data, Arne.
> (Was the concrete banking at Monza added during the Fascist period?)

> I agree, Avus was and is boring, even with the banking. The Italian Grand
> Prix in 1937 was at Livorno (the Italians changed it from Monza to try and
> give the home cars an advantage, but it didn't work), so Monza would be out.
> BUT, what about the Mellaha circuit at Tripoli! The second fastest after
> Avus (1937 fastest lap 171.74 mph) with a fastest 1937 lap at 142.44mph,
> with corners, and palm trees to boot! Even the drivers of the day liked it.
> Steve

> > Olav, Avus was the most BORING circuit in Europe (even at it's original
> > length, before WW2) and Monza had the banking from the time it was
> > originally built (just after Adam and Eve arrived! :o))

> Avus was indeed boring with two 10km straights the cars was just going
> flatout for minutes before either braking for the hairpin at one end or
> taking the banking at the other.

> And THE Monza banking we see in the GPL Monza did not exist in the 30s,
> but the track did have a much shallower earth banking which was indeed
> used for racing during some of the GPs in the 30s. Not sure which
> configuration was used in 37, but the 38 one can be seen at:
> http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_monza.jpg

> I really hope they make some of the other tracks of the 30s though: very
> fast Bremgarten, the triangular 26km track at Pescara and best of all
> the old 29km Brno track!

> Check out the great tracks of the time at:
> http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/track.htm

> --
> Arne Martin

> The ultimate for me would be to see GPL used as a "core" module, onto which
> could be added "packs"......a 1930s pack, a 1950s pack, a 1960s Sports/GT
> pack, and so on.  That way I could experience all the cars and circuits that
> my boyhood idols raced in and on!

> From checking the website (http://www.broadsword.co.uk/) I see that both
> Tripoli and Monza will be included :-)

> > From checking the website (http://www.broadsword.co.uk/) I see that both
> > Tripoli and Monza will be included :-)

> Hey! That's cheating. Hard facts always kill all the interesting speculation
> and rumormonging on USEnet - you debate terrorist. -:D

> If it hadn't been way too late, that would have read simply "thanks for the
> URL".

>The ultimate for me would be to see GPL used as a "core" module, onto which
>could be added "packs"......a 1930s pack, a 1950s pack, a 1960s Sports/GT
>pack, and so on.  That way I could experience all the cars and circuits
that
>my boyhood idols raced in and on!

><Snip>
>Mind you, I suppose the Targa Florio and Mille Miglia would be a _little_
>too much to ask :-)

>The ultimate for me would be to see GPL used as a "core" module, onto which
>could be added "packs"......a 1930s pack, a 1950s pack, a 1960s Sports/GT
>pack, and so on.  That way I could experience all the cars and circuits
that
>my boyhood idols raced in and on!

> I agree, Avus was and is boring, even with the banking. The Italian Grand
> Prix in 1937 was at Livorno (the Italians changed it from Monza to try and
> give the home cars an advantage, but it didn't work), so Monza would be
out.
> BUT, what about the Mellaha circuit at Tripoli! The second fastest after
> Avus (1937 fastest lap 171.74 mph) with a fastest 1937 lap at 142.44mph,
> with corners, and palm trees to boot! Even the drivers of the day liked
it.
> Steve

> >Olav, Avus was the most BORING circuit in Europe (even at it's original
> >length, before WW2) and Monza had the banking from the time it was
> >originally built (just after Adam and Eve arrived! :o))

> > Thanks for the additional data, Arne.
> > (Was the concrete banking at Monza added during the Fascist period?)

> No the concretebanking was built for the 55 GP.
> THe history of monza can be found at:
> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/monza.his

> --
> Arne Martin

> > I agree, Avus was and is boring, even with the banking. The Italian
Grand
> > Prix in 1937 was at Livorno (the Italians changed it from Monza to try
and
> > give the home cars an advantage, but it didn't work), so Monza would be
out.
> > BUT, what about the Mellaha circuit at Tripoli! The second fastest after
> > Avus (1937 fastest lap 171.74 mph) with a fastest 1937 lap at 142.44mph,
> > with corners, and palm trees to boot! Even the drivers of the day liked
it.
> > Steve

> From checking the website (http://www.racesimcentral.net/) I see that both
> Tripoli and Monza will be included :-)

> --
> Arne Martin

> > > From checking the website (http://www.broadsword.co.uk/) I see that
both
> > > Tripoli and Monza will be included :-)

> > Hey! That's cheating. Hard facts always kill all the interesting
speculation
> > and rumormonging on USEnet - you debate terrorist. -:D

> > If it hadn't been way too late, that would have read simply "thanks for
the
> > URL".

> But it doesn't list all tracks so we can still speculate on the others
> :-)
> Confirmed are:
> Brooklands
> Avus (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_avus.jpg)
> Monza (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_monza.jpg)
> Tripoli (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/trk_tripoli.jpg)
> Montlhry (http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/montlhe2.jpg)
> Roosevelt (anyone heard of this track, was it real?)
> Montana (another possible fantasy track?)

> They claim it will ship with 9 tracks so two remain...

> --
> Arne Martin

> I still have this sinking feeling (after looking at the screen shots) that
> what we will see will be more arcade than sim.
> I hope, of course, that my pessimism is proved totally groundless!