rec.autos.simulators

       I can't resist putting my 2 cent's in on this subject, although
I'm probably contributing to something that shouldn't be in this
newsgroup to begin with.
       We've got all of these people and groups that decide what
we should see, do, have, etc.  Where does it stop?  Today it's
the tobacco and *** advertising in sports.  Tomorrow it might
be the sports themselves.  I mean, lets face it.  It's already been
tried and accomplished for some sports.  What are you all going
to say when it's deemed by some group that auto racing should
be banned because it causes injury and sometimes death to
drivers and fans alike?  "Well, the fan was killed because he
was attracted to be in a dangerous situation, if the temptation
wouldn't have been there, he/she would still be alive."  Far
fetched?  You better wake up!  These groups talk about the
risks of smoking, and that people are unaware.....PLEASE!
Children are unaware, and as parents we should teach them
of these hazards.  Now, a tobacco or *** company that
camps outside of a concert, high school, or festival of some
kind, and gives away samples to minors, let's prosecute and
do something about it.  
       Today I'm forced by law to conform to all kinds of laws that
affect only my own life or health, like wear a seatbelt when I drive
or ride in a motor vehicle, wear a helmet on a motorcycle, etc, etc.
These are the kinds of laws that in my opinion have no place.
I'm not saying that their reasoning behind them are without merit,
just that it should be my choice.  Now, a law that requires a parent
to strap his/her child in a carseat or seatbelt.  This has some merit.
The child doesn't know these things, and unfortunately there are
parents that ignore these types of things.
       Cigarettes and *** are legal substances.  These companies
should have the same right as any other business to advertise their
product.  We as a society are slowly but surely hacking away at
our rights that built this country.  If a business or company breaks
the laws by using fraudulent or misleading advertising, prosecute
them for it.
       Anyway, sorry for the long post.  I didn't intend to ramble on
about this.  And no, I'm not part of a militant group out dwelling
on government intervention.  I'm just a little tired of some of the
piddly laws imposed on this society for "our own good".

Take care,

Shawn Wise
Midwest Motorsports
ProHCS3,HGNS3,
& HTS2 on Hawaii

With great respect,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)    

SPEED- Co-director
SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more...
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Lieutenant Nien Numb, Gold squadron NSWL
http://www.racesimcentral.net/;
May the force be with you, always!!

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

With great respect,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)    

SPEED- Co-director
SPEED- Cars, WC, BGN, Trucks, IROC, utilities and more...
SPEED- http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Lieutenant Nien Numb, Gold squadron NSWL
http://www.racesimcentral.net/;
May the force be with you, always!!

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

Jim what they are saying is that, if a car is operated properly no one is
going to die, but no matter how you smoke, it will kill you.

Cigarettes are the only legal product that when use as directed can kill.

--
John

This raises an interesting question in regards to the NROS. How is this
situation going to affect the NROS as far as sponsorship that may have
been decided prior to this ruling. I know it may not be that relevant at
this point but I'm more curious how this affects the administrators of
the NROS as far as the sponsorship itself goes. Do they have to find new
sponsors and remname some of the divisions like I'm sure they will have
to in the real series.

---Jim

There won't be any tobacco or alchohol ads.

says...

Damn Shawn,
 Great post, only problem I have with it is I didn't post it myself.

SG
::::For those who have died for our freedom, must they die again?::::

CR

Oh, and RAID Ant & Roach Spray...

and a mousetrap...

<Rant mode ON>

Here's the deal.

Removing liquor advertising from Radio & Television in the seventies
(or sixties, whenever it was) did not stop people from buying Tequila,
Rum, Whiskey or Vodka.

Removing cigarette advertising from Radio & Television in the nineties
will not stop people from buying Marlboro's, Winston's, Benson &
Hedges, etc.

The threat of having a "WARNING LABEL" on records/tapes/CD's did not
suddenly cause the return of "The Osmonds" or "The Archies" to the top
of the record sales charts.

"Wage Controls" during the Nixon Administration did not stop inflation
in the 70's. If anything, it helped to increase the gap between the
"have more than enoughs" and the "ain't got enoughs".

The hormones of a 13 year old boy don't "settle down" just because he
can't see the cover of Playboy at the 7-11.

The "War on ***" doesn't seem to have gotten off the ground in
Southern California.

..."if only Uncle Sam had more money to work with"...he could still
find a way to put more in his pocket and accomplish less per dollar.

----

Unfortunately, there is a large (enough) percentage of the population
that really believes everything that the TV tells them without taking
a moment to actually think about the hidden costs behind the agenda
being praised on the TV.

Corporate sponsorship of major events is a "private sector" subsidy.
Winston Cup is just one example. The Playboy Jazz Festival is another.
Non-smokers and non-drinkers benefit from the competition for the
bigger purses, larger team budgets to develop better/faster machines
and crews, lower ticket prices and cleaner facilities enabled by the
corporate sponsorship of the cigarette and *** producing sponsors
as much as those who hold a Winston in one hand, and a Coors Light in
the other hand. The last time I went to the Playboy Jazz Festival, it
did not resemble "Poker Night with the Boys".

I am a fan of Winston Cup Racing, although I would prefer that my 6-
and 3-year old nieces not smoke, and I prefer Dunhills. I go to the
Playboy Jazz Festival for the music, and I think the last time I
purchased a Playboy was the issue with the interview with Frank Zappa.
I go to other concerts at a Coors Light sponsored venue, but I would
rather have a Sapporo with my sushi...it just tastes better to me. I
enjoyed the Budweiser lizard spots during the Cal 500, but I was
drinking Pepsi. (Oh, no, Gordon drank Pepsi in Victory Circle) <g>

Vote with your conscience. Vote with your dollars. No sponsor has ever
held a gun to your head and forced you to buy their product.

Education is the key, not Government Regulation. Take responsibility
for the education you provide your children, or fail to provide them
as the case may be. The Government will not keep your kids from
smoking cigarettes, and will not help your kids do their homework.
That's your job.

<Rant mode OFF>

Key Largo
Nascar2 Rookie

(who refuses to send his money to any evangelist who can afford to buy
time on a Television station, ESPECIALLY those who can afford to buy
the entire Television station).

Man, this subject always gets me going <G>. I don't smoke, hate smoking,
and I don't live in NC so smoking is not part of my economy. However, as
it stands right now, smoking and tobacco are legal, and as such, should
be allowed to do business in a reasonable manner. I don't think they
should be using cartoon camels, and I don't think Smoking Joe has often
started a kid smoking that wouldn't have started either way. As we all
know, most beer and smoking ads are more effective as brand switching,
than recruitment(sp?). This is a political smoke screen (if you'll
excuse the pun). It it's legal, let them run their business with
reasonable restrictions. If you really want to help stamp out smoking
then tax the hell out of it and at least raise some revenue to offset
the cost of smoking for the rest of us. Ban it in public places, it
infringes on non-smokers rights, and remember, your rights end where
another's begins. But advertising isn't the problem. These advertising
restrictions just look good on the democrats (I am one) resumes, but
they totally miss the point.

Lou B.

: Cigarettes are the only legal product that when use as directed can kill.

Many families of people killed by firearms don't agree with you on this
one.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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HMMMM.......How about "The Microsoft Cup" ? :-)

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"Hell, what they ought to do is just give everybody a
drank o' likker and drop the green flag"---Buck Baker