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RASF1: Imola re-try?

Eldre

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Eldre » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:53:53

I hope you get to the Barber Dodge series and do well.  If I hadn't screwed up
my finances so badly a few years ago, I'd be doing it.  Racing has been a dream
that now looks like will go unfulfilled.  I'm getting too old to get started,
unless I was totally self-financed.  I don't see how *that's* gonna happen,
unless this lotto ticket I bought tonight pays off...<g>

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:55:18

Oh, how the mighty have fallen... :-)

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Eldre

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Eldre » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:02:13

I can agree with that, and that's my problem.  For some reason(computer,
monitor, whatever), what I perceive the car to be doing and what it's actually
doing are usually two different things.  I'm having difficulty making the car
go exactly where I want it to go.  You could tell me to go through a turn and
put my rf wheel a foot from the curb, and I probably couldn't do it 9 times out
of 10.  I don't have that problem in my road car, and I didn't have that
problem at Laguna Seca.  Something about computer games is screwing me up.
Depth perception of a 2D image, maybe.  I don't get the feedback that I need to
be able to drive correctly, and don't yet know how to fix that.

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Eldre

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Eldre » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:03:43

Yes, I'd be interested in trying your setup.  I'll be back in the Williams
Sunday(all cars equal setting), but maybe that will give me an idea of the
*potential*...
Thanks.

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Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:14:50

I'd bet a CPU upgrade would make all the difference Eldred.  F1C pushes my
2.6gig to the max so I'd guess your 1.2Athlon is spewing smoke ;)  Anything
under 20fps is about impossible to drive imo and I'd bet you're in that
neighborhood in traffic.

Mitch


Stuart Becktel

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Stuart Becktel » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:30:44

Thanks for the encouragement, and just so you know I'm planning to be self
financed for the Barber Dodge series unless I can completely 0wn people in
the go kart racing I plan to do next year (missed the deadline to do it this
year.) I'm hoping I can get a good paying job in IT that will allow me to
finance as little as possible of the ~40grand that is required for a
regional championship in Barber Dodge.

Where do you live? As much as I dislike autocrosses, it is a good launching
pad for track racing, if nothing else then that you learn to be self
confident simply because you've only got 3 minutes total during the event to
run. Car's don't matter at all either, I've got a Subaru Legacy wagon right
now, but before this I had a 89 Corolla...at least with that car I learned
about momentum. I'd do at least a few autocrosses first, then do a few track
days and see how you do there. At the two track days I've done so far I've
been outclassed car wise, but at the first one (first turn of Pocono) I was
the second fastest car in my group, and at the second one I wasn't fast at
all, but I learned how to be consistent, and no one kept up as much momentum
through turn 10 as I did.

Even if you can't afford Barber Dodge, there are a lot of other series that
you can go into at a lower price, although it will be your own car.  Minus
the replacement cost, rally racing is relatively easy to get into. Buy a VW
Rabbit for a few grand that is already built up, and you can run asap.

Just because you might be getting older doesn't mean you can't at least have
fun in racing. You might love autocrossing, I know a lot of people in my
region swear by it. And with other series like NASA starting up, there are
other outlets then just the SCCA to run in that might allow cheaper racing.
-Stuart Becktell

Larry Lindstro

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Larry Lindstro » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:20:11


>>Like all the tracks in this sim, a driver needs to be ultra precise and find
>>the perfect line lap after lap in order to be fast. There isn't a better sim
>>(ever) at helping a sim driver to hone their road course racing skills.
>>Everything else seems very slow and like a Sunday drive compared to these F1
>>cars. You have to place the wheels of these rockets literally within inches
>>of the perfect line, combined with precise throttle control, or your lap
>>will suffer.

>>*Exactly* like the real F1 drivers.

> I can agree with that, and that's my problem.  For some reason(computer,
> monitor, whatever), what I perceive the car to be doing and what it's actually
> doing are usually two different things.  I'm having difficulty making the car
> go exactly where I want it to go.  You could tell me to go through a turn and
> put my rf wheel a foot from the curb, and I probably couldn't do it 9 times out
> of 10.  I don't have that problem in my road car, and I didn't have that
> problem at Laguna Seca.  Something about computer games is screwing me up.
> Depth perception of a 2D image, maybe.  I don't get the feedback that I need to
> be able to drive correctly, and don't yet know how to fix that.

> Eldred

Hi Folks:

    Sorry I couldn't make it last weekend.  I've had no time to
practice.  It's been a tough couple of weeks at work and it's
hard to concentrate on any sim.

    Next week is also out for me.

    It is interesting that the two most CPU clock challenged
drivers, Eldred and I, are way slower than anyone else.
Something I noticed in a Sepang hotlap video Ian P sent was a
low frequency "growling" as his tires neared their limits.  I
almost never hear that sound.  So perhaps faster CPUs don't
offer some feedback that others get.

    Are we running the RH mod now?

                                                        Larry

Larry Lindstro

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Larry Lindstro » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:31:30




>>>Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, and

> David

>>>and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for this

> weekend?

>>>Where's Larry?  Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc?  Let's race guys!

>>I don't have a problem with hosting again.  Maybe I can find some SPEED by
>>then.  Probably not...

>>Eldred

> If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night, and
> dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run as
> a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of (that's
> legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO.

> David G Fisher

Hi David:


                                                                 Thanks
                                                                 Larry

Uwe Sch??rkam

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:58:09


me too!

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Uwe Sch??rkam

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by Uwe Sch??rkam » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:40:40


> Something I noticed in a Sepang hotlap video Ian P sent was a
> low frequency "growling" as his tires neared their limits.  I
> almost never hear that sound.  So perhaps faster CPUs don't
> offer some feedback that others get.

Try using the GTR2002 tyre sqeal sound. It makes a lot of difference
regarding sim feedback while nearing the limit of traction.

Cheers,

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Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:27:57

What files do we need to overwrite Uwe?  Ive always felt that was one of
F1C's weaknesses.  In NR03 I can clearly tell when the tires reach the limit
of adhesion which REALLY helps.

Mitch

GTR2002 tyre sqeal sound. It makes a lot of difference

Mitch_

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Mitch_ » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:29:02

Mitch waves his hand for a copy to DGF ;)


> > If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night,
and
> > dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run
as
> > a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of
(that's
> > legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO.

> > David G Fisher

> Hi David:


>                                                                  Thanks
>                                                                  Larry

Eldre

RASF1: Imola re-try?

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:18:51

I mentioned self financed because I'm too old to attract sponsors.  They're
looking for the next 19-y/o wunderkin...

Oak Park, MI(near Detroit)

There was a series in Canada that I looked at a few years ago.  The Barber
Dodge series was something like $1999 for a race weekend.  The one in Canada
was something like $8000 for a 12-race season.  It was four seperate 3-race
weekends.  It was also 'arrive and drive'.

I don't know where I could do rally racing in Michigan.<g>

Maybe in the next year or so I'll look further into it.  Right now, it's
impossible for me to try to field a car.  I never checked the numbers on the
lotto ticket, though. :-)

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:32:39

I only get 30 fps on a CLEAR track...  I'm sure that it's a factor, but I know
of many people who can lap faster with a slower system than mine.
In other words, it's not the arrow, it's the Indian. :-)

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:45:55

By the time I hear any feedback from the tires, I'm sliding sidways towards
some immovable object...

Not yet.  I haven't loaded it.  How does that affect tracks, cars, etc.?

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