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Jone T.
>> get those old musclecars to handle, and beating the Elise down a
>> straightaway is easy business.
> There is a company that puts a 420 bhp Audi 2,7 biturbo engine into the
> Elise. That would fix the "straightway problem" but I'm not quite sure if
> it will improve handeling and drivability. It's called Lotus Esthi.
> http://www.classicdriver.de/de/magazine/3100.asp?id=1712
> Jone T.
>> "Seven Smiles" wrote....
>> 3 versions of the same message :(
>> ***y computers!
> Maybe it's not the Computer but yer brainpan all
> shook up from driving a leetle ***y tiny car with a
> motuhcykle engine init.
And mine has a car engine - 1.8 litre Rover K series for a more leisurely
driving experience...
That would be REcapturing of course! Couldn't resist revisiting this thread
after running across the following quote today:
"Weight saving should be by design and not a post process. Weight is the car
designer's biggest enemy. It works against you in every single aspect of
vehicle dynamics. Power-to-weight ratio is one of the most misunderstood
figures in the auto-motive world. Achieving a good power-to-weight figure by
applying huge horsepower to a heavy car is in no way the same thing as
achieving the same ratio with a very light car. "
Gordon Murray on the also-overweight and similarly ill-conceived Bugatti
Veyron... ;-)
And I thought my VW GTI was light at 2400lbs. Are you driving a Lotus Elise
Don ?
DonS
-Larry
>> I am sometimes grateful that I can't even possibly fit inside anything
>> smaller than a Taurus or Explorer.
> I drive a 2004 Crown Victoria LX Sport. Good solid car, fast when it
> needs to be, and has the added benefit of looking like a cop car (to
> keep the bozos at bay, at least temporarily).
What makes you think him driving a truck was _unreasonable_ ? Maybe it was
reasonable for his needs?
I drive an 05 Explorer. I _need_ every inch of space and capability this
vehicle offers. That's why I bought it.
I sure as hell wouldn't put up with the Gas Mileage if I didn't :)
-Larry
>>Don McCorkle
> And I thought my VW GTI was light at 2400lbs. Are you driving a Lotus Elise
> Don ?
Don McCorkle
It was a high-school kid alone in the Explorer. That, and my experience
looking around me in traffic allow me to make a slight leap to that
conclusion. Here in the Washington DC area a 6,000 pound SUV with a 100
pound driver commuting to work alone is the norm. Plus, I think that
any vehicle that rolls over because of a flat tire is unreasonable. A
flat tire should be an inconvenience, not a tragedy.
Don McCorkle
I also had (okay, still tend to) make the same conclusion. But
consider how your sampling is done. You are noticing this while
driving in commuter hours. So everyone else is commuting. Now say
that same SUV is pulling a a boat on the weekend, or a gaggle of
soccer players. Now both parents drive to work the following
Monday. It is quite likely that one of them will be using that SUV,
solo. You see it, you conclude "yep, big SUV, being used *only* for
a single commuter".
So frankly, your test observation is biased and probably not
terribly valid.
.. not to say that SUV's in general are that different from other
vehicles: subject to fad and fashion, and not logically purchased
based on needs rather than wants.
.. back to simulators ... :-)
>> http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html
>> -Larry
> Bah, another big and clunky american car. This is true beauty
> http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=10861...
> :-)
> --
> David G Fisher
Yeah, laugh your ass off, so when any of the "big three" goes under it is
sure to send a large portion of the country in a big recession. Keep
laughing jerkoff.
Obviously you don't know what you are saying and haven't lived in the
northern climates of the US. I have an SUV to manage my trips outside of
Detroit, along dirt roads and trails just to make it to visit family and
friends. I doubt any Lotus Elise could make it two feet down any roads that
we are forced to travel.
>> Manuver around accidents Har har har...
>> hell 90% of accidents are rear enders or left turns in front of others I
>> "think". last week a gal flying down the highway, just slammed on her
>> brakes to make a last minute left turn, got ran over. She had no more
>> idea what the F was around her than the man on the moon. But unlike the
>> gal 2 weeks before she and the 6 passeengers lived to whine to everyone
>> that the trucker was at fault. Last time that scenario it was a tiny
>> minivan, everyone died.
>> I'll take that SUV, just in case my honey forgets to shut up and drive,
>> because I wanna think safety...
>> Another thing that f#cks with my brain is, these soccer-mom types, you
>> know- in the big urban areas... Got the kids helmet gloves knee pads,
>> elbow pads, ***pads before the kids can even think about the riding of
>> a bicycyle or skateboard (THem are strictlyoff limits without proper
>> safety gear) But just 2 minutes ago, while headed home from the Friggin
>> soccer game, they all were buckled in, traveling 80mph less than 4ft from
>> the next *** in front of them, on the 6 lane expressway.... and dont
>> even think about the Danger they were exposing everyone to, for what, 2.4
>> minutes cut off the 20 minute drive? Get real, once again Cars dont Kill
>> People stupid people kill people with cars...
> There is NOTHING a person does on the road that infuriates me more than a
> tail-gater. Absolutely moronic driving. I've gotten out of the car at
> lights and given people hell for riding my a**. So tempted to just slam
> the brakes sometimes, especially when the idiot is on the cell phone.
> --
> David G Fisher
>> At 3800+ lbs, yeah, it's pretty hefty. But that also goes to show that
>> weight in and of itself does mean a car's "safe." Personally, I can live
>> with some added weight for better collision protection and a tiny bit
>> more comfort, but many "sports" coupes and sedans are hitting 3300-3500
>> lbs right now which seems excessive if driving dynamics truly is a core
>> focus. Heck, from a handling standpoint, I think my smallish convertible
>> is porky at nearly 2900 lbs!
> I think so too, my car weighs 1800 pounds. Concerning the SUV thing, how
> many of these accidents wouldn't have happened if the vehicle was not an
> SUV? There's a very good chance that Freda Sorce (the radio guy's wife)
> would have had an uneventful drive home if that kid had been driving a
> reasonable car. He hit the brakes because of a traffic jam and ended up
> on the other side of the road on top of an oncoming car. Who can feel safe
> in a vehicle which rolls over and kills your family if you get a flat
> tire?
> Don McCorkle
