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GP3 in the wet

Careful with that axe, Nic

GP3 in the wet

by Careful with that axe, Nic » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:35:27

Any tips or guides out there on how to run GP3 in the wet, I just can't
figure it out, I can't do a lap without spinning.

Nick

Jan Verschuere

GP3 in the wet

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:55:19

Simple... run more towards the middle of the track throught the turns and
baby the accellerator.

Soft suspension and loadsa downforce helps too (if you know it's going to be
tipping down, that is). Corner speeds are very low, so you don't have to
worry about hitting the bump stops.

Good luck,

Jan.
=---
Careful with that axe, Nick wrote...

Matt Wilso

GP3 in the wet

by Matt Wilso » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:25:10

Traction control also helps greatly, (but only in the McLaren or Ferrari).
No seriously it helps if you don't mind cheating a little.

Regards,
Matt


Simon Brow

GP3 in the wet

by Simon Brow » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:08:38

Wet-weather tyres have been known to help ;)

I presume you have an anologue acceleration device (pedals, joystick etc)?
In which case you just need to put the power down more gently.  If I
remember correctly, in the wet, you shouldn't get the throttle all the way
down until half way through 3rd gear (without driving aids).  Also make sure
you notice the difference between fully wet track, which is reflective and
extremely slippy, and just slightly wet track, which isn't reflective, and
has way more grip.



John Pavlice

GP3 in the wet

by John Pavlice » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:45:33

And soon it won't be cheating.

-Pav


> Traction control also helps greatly, (but only in the McLaren or Ferrari).
> No seriously it helps if you don't mind cheating a little.

> Regards,
> Matt



> > Simple... run more towards the middle of the track throught the turns
and
> > baby the accellerator.

> > Soft suspension and loadsa downforce helps too (if you know it's going
to
> be
> > tipping down, that is). Corner speeds are very low, so you don't have to
> > worry about hitting the bump stops.

> > Good luck,

> > Jan.
> > =---
> > Careful with that axe, Nick wrote...
> > > Any tips or guides out there on how to run GP3 in
> > > the wet, I just can't figure it out, I can't do a
> > > lap without spinning.

> > > Nick

Maji

GP3 in the wet

by Maji » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:27:42

Speaking of this "cheating"  What about the traction control on the game.  I
read in my manual, that it isnt performance inhancing like traction control
in real life.  I was just wondering how this is so, what is the difference?

> And soon it won't be cheating.

> -Pav



> > Traction control also helps greatly, (but only in the McLaren or
Ferrari).
> > No seriously it helps if you don't mind cheating a little.

> > Regards,
> > Matt



> > > Simple... run more towards the middle of the track throught the turns
> and
> > > baby the accellerator.

> > > Soft suspension and loadsa downforce helps too (if you know it's going
> to
> > be
> > > tipping down, that is). Corner speeds are very low, so you don't have
to
> > > worry about hitting the bump stops.

> > > Good luck,

> > > Jan.
> > > =---
> > > Careful with that axe, Nick wrote...
> > > > Any tips or guides out there on how to run GP3 in
> > > > the wet, I just can't figure it out, I can't do a
> > > > lap without spinning.

> > > > Nick

big..

GP3 in the wet

by big.. » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:54:11

It might sound a bit obvious, but I've found that I'm quite
reasonable in the wet at tracks I have lots of experience at, but
at other tracks my wet races last about 2 laps :)

As Jan said, heaps of downforce, softer setup and different lines
help a lot.

Cheers
-Nick


> Simple... run more towards the middle of the track throught the turns and
> baby the accellerator.
> Soft suspension and loadsa downforce helps too (if you know it's going to be
> tipping down, that is). Corner speeds are very low, so you don't have to
> worry about hitting the bump stops.
> Good luck,
> Jan.
> =---
> Careful with that axe, Nick wrote...
>> Any tips or guides out there on how to run GP3 in
>> the wet, I just can't figure it out, I can't do a
>> lap without spinning.

>> Nick

Mark

GP3 in the wet

by Mark » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:55:53

I use soft wets, but with a dry setup.  Sounds illogical, but provided you
take it easy through the corners you can beat the pack on the straights.
And don't accelerate hard until your car is pointing straight ahead.

MarkT



GraDe

GP3 in the wet

by GraDe » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:32:29

Short shift, accelerate very smoothly and turn the wheel in only a small
radius 10-12deg. or less compared to the 20 people use in the dry.

I'm getting much better this way, also turning very early and sort of
letting it slide is great as it gives you a lot of speed but do not
accelerate, just let it roll around a corner.

Intermediate conditions are superb fun, you just drive like you do in the
dry only more aggressive because you et some mean slides due to dampness but
are able to re-control the car easily since it's not very wet.

Big secret is the wheel. slow right down and turn it only a small radius.
If you turn it a large radius then you sort of putt he wheels sideways and
the car pushes forward (it does this in the dry too if you go to max lock
(like it does in real life) due to all these ackerman steering effects and
whatever else. Keeping the radius small means the tyres will me in maximum
contact and traction with the ground making it way easier to turn than going
full lock (which is what most tend to do when a small radius isn't working,
but if it's not you're just too fast.)
A much larger radius around the corner is needed you, (ever drive GP500?
Like that!!) since you'll be drifting whether you feel it much or not.

As everything it takes practice but these few guidelines saved me seconds
the first time I combined them all (as opposed to the hit and miss method I
started with).



GraDe

GP3 in the wet

by GraDe » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:35:58


difference?

The diffeence in GP3 is that since traction control was not leagal in 1998
this is jsut an "aid" for newbies. It gives you the effect of traction
control as in no wheel spin but the car is marginally slower to gain speed
to encouraeg you to learn not to use the aid to go faster.

In real life, TC minimises wheelspin while maximising acceleration so it's
different in that sence.

With the intro of TC to ral F1 now, no sim will ever be credited as great
now as modeeling TC will make games much easier, to control at least. So
this "harder means better" attitude may rule for some time in RAS :-)



> > And soon it won't be cheating.

> > -Pav



> > > Traction control also helps greatly, (but only in the McLaren or
> Ferrari).
> > > No seriously it helps if you don't mind cheating a little.

> > > Regards,
> > > Matt



> > > > Simple... run more towards the middle of the track throught the
turns
> > and
> > > > baby the accellerator.

> > > > Soft suspension and loadsa downforce helps too (if you know it's
going
> > to
> > > be
> > > > tipping down, that is). Corner speeds are very low, so you don't
have
> to
> > > > worry about hitting the bump stops.

> > > > Good luck,

> > > > Jan.
> > > > =---
> > > > Careful with that axe, Nick wrote...
> > > > > Any tips or guides out there on how to run GP3 in
> > > > > the wet, I just can't figure it out, I can't do a
> > > > > lap without spinning.

> > > > > Nick

GraDe

GP3 in the wet

by GraDe » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:40:08



Tyre:
If its just trickling down then leave on the soft dry tires and get a slide!
If it's drizzly, put on soft wets and any bit heavy at all use monsoons.

Doesn't sound right but I've had best experience with this. Hard wets are
for in-between intermediate and full wet but theres never a real use for
them beyond 2-3 laps so theres no point using them. When it is any bit wet
monsoons seem to give an extra bite over soft wets, it doesn't have to be
monsoon conditions (remember, tyres depend on the state of the track, not
the weather!

I don't narrower lines help (taking middle of track), that's used in real
life as the regular route has *** laid down which is uncontrollable to
drive over in wet, but that's not modelled in GP3 so take as wide a line as
you can.


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