rec.autos.simulators

> >and then there is the point of
> >NASCAR again, do you really believe that NASCAR is going to let someone
put
> >out a game and not have liscensed drivers?

> Um, what could they DO about it?  If you don't use "Nascar", there's no
beef.
> Someone could put out a game called "Stock Car Racing", don't use any
> trademarks, and simply not pay the licensing fee to NASCAR.  What could
NASCAR
> do, and on what grounds?  Certainly not copyright infringement...

> Eldred
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> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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> MGPRS2 sold more units then F1RS, even without a FIA license, without any
> driver, or teams or sponsors.  It basically had track per track license
(the
> global "Monaco" license).  I'm sure the same could be done for tracks.

> > > Nope nothing in the world NASCAR could do about it, of course if the
> > > developer was lucky the game would sell 50,000 units.

> > MGPRS2 sold more units then F1RS, even without a FIA license, without
any
> > driver, or teams or sponsors.  It basically had track per track license
> (the
> > global "Monaco" license).  I'm sure the same could be done for tracks.

> I have no idea what what these titles did, so I will not comment on those,
> but liscensing those tracks and WC tracks is a completely different
> situations.  As I stated earlier ISC is owned by the France family so why
> would they give a track liscense when they don't have a NASCAR liscense.

> > Anyway, the guy who buys the title only because it has "Nascar" slapped
on
> > it wouldn't care or more he wouldn't know if it had Chicago correctly
> > modeled or not, or if has Homestead replaced by any other track.  It
> > wouldn't be a problem to model fantasy tracks.

> Okay, believe what you want but you try to sell a game to someone as a
stock
> car sim with no real tracks and see what happens.

> > Oh wait, isn't that what Papyrus just did with the Coca-Cola Speedway?
> For
> > sure, the casual gamers are raving about that track, imho :)

> I never said people would not like, or appreciate fantasy tracks, my point
> was that with nothing but fantasy tracks people won't buy it.

> Scott

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> How about some of those BGN and CTS tracks. While I can appreciate having
> all the WC tracks and the Fantasy tracks that Papy has done, I am a short
> track fan and those shorter tracks are sorely missed.

> Mike

> > > > Nope nothing in the world NASCAR could do about it, of course if the
> > > > developer was lucky the game would sell 50,000 units.

> > > MGPRS2 sold more units then F1RS, even without a FIA license, without
>  any
> > > driver, or teams or sponsors.  It basically had track per track license
>  (the
> > > global "Monaco" license).  I'm sure the same could be done for tracks.

> > I have no idea what what these titles did, so I will not comment on those,
> > but liscensing those tracks and WC tracks is a completely different
> > situations.  As I stated earlier ISC is owned by the France family so why
> > would they give a track liscense when they don't have a NASCAR liscense.

> > > Anyway, the guy who buys the title only because it has "Nascar" slapped
>  on
> > > it wouldn't care or more he wouldn't know if it had Chicago correctly
> > > modeled or not, or if has Homestead replaced by any other track.  It
> > > wouldn't be a problem to model fantasy tracks.

> > Okay, believe what you want but you try to sell a game to someone as a
>  stock
> > car sim with no real tracks and see what happens.

> > > Oh wait, isn't that what Papyrus just did with the Coca-Cola Speedway?
>  For
> > > sure, the casual gamers are raving about that track, imho :)

> > I never said people would not like, or appreciate fantasy tracks, my point
> > was that with nothing but fantasy tracks people won't buy it.

> > Scott

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> Not a truck fan myself, but man it would be nice if we could get the
> first Busch Grand National sim in several years, not to mention the
> possibility of giving these cars unique engine and handling
> characteristics, which hasn't been done before.

> Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaase Scott?   Who do we need to lobby at
> Sierra? =)

> Jason

> > How about some of those BGN and CTS tracks. While I can appreciate
having
> > all the WC tracks and the Fantasy tracks that Papy has done, I am a
short
> > track fan and those shorter tracks are sorely missed.

> > Mike

> > > > > Nope nothing in the world NASCAR could do about it, of course if
the
> > > > > developer was lucky the game would sell 50,000 units.

> > > > MGPRS2 sold more units then F1RS, even without a FIA license,
without
> >  any
> > > > driver, or teams or sponsors.  It basically had track per track
license
> >  (the
> > > > global "Monaco" license).  I'm sure the same could be done for
tracks.

> > > I have no idea what what these titles did, so I will not comment on
those,
> > > but liscensing those tracks and WC tracks is a completely different
> > > situations.  As I stated earlier ISC is owned by the France family so
why
> > > would they give a track liscense when they don't have a NASCAR
liscense.

> > > > Anyway, the guy who buys the title only because it has "Nascar"
slapped
> >  on
> > > > it wouldn't care or more he wouldn't know if it had Chicago
correctly
> > > > modeled or not, or if has Homestead replaced by any other track.  It
> > > > wouldn't be a problem to model fantasy tracks.

> > > Okay, believe what you want but you try to sell a game to someone as a
> >  stock
> > > car sim with no real tracks and see what happens.

> > > > Oh wait, isn't that what Papyrus just did with the Coca-Cola
Speedway?
> >  For
> > > > sure, the casual gamers are raving about that track, imho :)

> > > I never said people would not like, or appreciate fantasy tracks, my
point
> > > was that with nothing but fantasy tracks people won't buy it.

> > > Scott

> > > > --
> > > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...