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ymenar

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by ymenar » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:35:28


> 3)    Use those automessages to communicate to the AI.

    I know many people have been asking for a simple "hand gesture" inside
the stockcar like you have in GPL.  It's a simple feature that would really
be great, but they have not implemented it in either N3, N4, NR2002, etc...
We're still awaiting it, to coordinate either AI towards you, or you towards
another AI, or more importantly, you towards another human during a
multiplayer race.  It's an easy feature to model, I'm 100% sure about that.

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by David G Fishe » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:54:12

Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted to
do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing excuse.
I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want to
see the actual contracts.

David G Fisher (who doesn't get the joke?)



> > Yay, a Papy employee responds, but ignores perfectly good points and
> > moans about legalese and the big boogy man that is Nascar.

> > I don't care what Nascar will and will not let you do, the point of
> > the post was to suggest  what would make for a great N5.

> <SNIP indecipherable rambling>

> YFy... calm down & step away from the keyboard.  Set?  Good.  Now think
> long & *** this one...  Without NASCAR's licensing. do you think
> "N5" would even get *released*?  Nevermind getting licenses from these
> racing facilities to include them in the first place.  Reread Scott's
> post & maybe you'll catch what he's saying.

> --

> Fester

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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:51:04


> Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted to
> do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing excuse.
> I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want to
> see the actual contracts.

I agree to the extent that it could be done like MGPRS2 was done.  But
it's certainly plausible that official licensing could be withheld for
"offensive" items.  Much like multiplayer capabilities & Bernie.  :-)

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Scott Sanfor

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by Scott Sanfor » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:30:39



> > Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted
to
> > do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing
excuse.
> > I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want
to
> > see the actual contracts.

> I agree to the extent that it could be done like MGPRS2 was done.  But
> it's certainly plausible that official licensing could be withheld for
> "offensive" items.  Much like multiplayer capabilities & Bernie.  :-)

Yep, it definately could be done that way but how many of the casual gamers
do you think are going to buy "Stock car racing" when they can get NASCAR
for their PS2 or Xbox and how willing do you think NASCAR would be to do
future liscensing work with Papy if they did that?

Scott

Brian Oste

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by Brian Oste » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:35:00



Not gonna happen so we might as well drop it.  I have gotten used to
it though.  Any way, even when I pause the game for long period of
time, I find it is hard to sit back down and pick up where I left off
since the tires are worn.

I would love that also.  Maybe even give each opponent a couple of
provisionals to use during a championship season.

That would be cool too, but would probably require a major change to
the game engine.

Coca-Cola is enough.  There is a fine line between releasing a
*** race sim and releasing an arcade game.  I want the race sim.

Brian Oster

Brian Oste

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by Brian Oste » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:38:36


>A) By the time we see such a feature, a capable machine should be
>available.

>B) If set to "Medium", there would only be 50 (43 pit board guys, and
>the remainder of your own pit crew).

>C) They should also remove the pit road speed limit for the Coke track.

You could probably do this yourself in the ini file.

Brian Oster

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:11:40

"Scott Sanford"
(snip)
  Yup, you put the "Brand X Oval Racing" box next to Nascar Thunder, or
Nascar Heat or just Nascar boxes at Wal Mart or any other major retailor,
and Brand X will sit there like it was glued to the shelves.
  As I stated previously, NR1999 had the least amount of licensing in the
box and probably also had a markedly lower sales volume.
  Also they TIME costs are being ignored by most of the posters above.
Papyrus apparently was committed or ordered to deliver a product at the
start of the Nascar season.  Even if they had the finances to make major
feature additions, did they have the time?
  Finally, remember who they are working for....The design studio of Tribes
II (Dynamix) has been in the Sierra family for about the same amount of time
as Papyrus, yet when Tribes II was shipped, even with major issues
unresolved, the whole company was fired.  In an enviroment such as that, do
you bankroll future technologies with no certain future funding?
  I'm not apologizing for Papyrus, just exposing you to what could be
roadblocks to further development.
dave henrie

Jim Teste

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by Jim Teste » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:30:09

About a save-race option:

I can understand why they didn't put it in N4 or N2002.  Aside from the
added programming to have the feature, there are ways to use the saverace
file and cheat in offline races, if you were so inclined.   (Don't know what
they are...and don't care to)

Maybe there could be some kind of an enabler in the .ini file that the
player could turn on and off with a "0" or a "1".  And there could be a
tell-tale in the generated standings file at the end of the race.  That way
the race administrators could tell if the saverace feature was enabled or
not.

I know I love to run 100% races, but it's hard for an old phart to sit that
long.  ;-)

I know...I know...just 'pause' it every once in a while.  And I do.  But it
still would be a neat feature to have.

Just my .04 cents worth.

~J

Scott Sanfor

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by Scott Sanfor » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:24:59



> >C) They should also remove the pit road speed limit for the Coke track.

> You could probably do this yourself in the ini file.

If you set speed_limit_MPH to 0 you will have no speed limit on pit road.

Scott

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:49:35


> Yep, it definately could be done that way but how many of the casual gamers
> do you think are going to buy "Stock car racing" when they can get NASCAR
> for their PS2 or Xbox and how willing do you think NASCAR would be to do
> future liscensing work with Papy if they did that?

I agree.  Hence my earlier reply to VFy.  There wouldn't be a title to
sell.

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Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:44:57

"Scott Sanford" wrote




> > > Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and
really wanted
> to
> > > do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the
licensing
> excuse.
> > > I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand
do. I want
> to
> > > see the actual contracts.

> > I agree to the extent that it could be done like MGPRS2 was
done.  But
> > it's certainly plausible that official licensing could be
withheld for
> > "offensive" items.  Much like multiplayer capabilities & Bernie.
:-)

> Yep, it definately could be done that way but how many of the
casual gamers
> do you think are going to buy "Stock car racing" when they can get
NASCAR
> for their PS2 or Xbox and how willing do you think NASCAR would be
to do
> future liscensing work with Papy if they did that?

> Scott

Which is pretty similar to DGFs response to a similar thread...

"A lot of the PC F1 games are also made for the consoles. A
fictitious F1
racer for the console probably won't sell, and there's no way to
edit them.

David G Fisher"

Tony

Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:11:33



>Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted to
>do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing excuse.
>I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want to
>see the actual contracts.

>David G Fisher (who doesn't get the joke?)

Hehe...

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Thom j

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by Thom j » Thu, 21 Feb 2002 04:01:27

Gee David I leave this NG for a month or so and you are all
wound up again...  Now I want you to just relax & take your
Prozac as prescribed :)  from -----> me



| Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted
to
| do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing
excuse.
| I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want to
| see the actual contracts.
|
| David G Fisher (who doesn't get the joke?)
|


| > >
| > > Yay, a Papy employee responds, but ignores perfectly good points and
| > > moans about legalese and the big boogy man that is Nascar.
| > >
| > > I don't care what Nascar will and will not let you do, the point of
| > > the post was to suggest  what would make for a great N5.
| >
| > <SNIP indecipherable rambling>
| >
| > YFy... calm down & step away from the keyboard.  Set?  Good.  Now think
| > long & *** this one...  Without NASCAR's licensing. do you think
| > "N5" would even get *released*?  Nevermind getting licenses from these
| > racing facilities to include them in the first place.  Reread Scott's
| > post & maybe you'll catch what he's saying.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Fester
| >
| > "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
| > brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
| >                                          from alt.linux.mandrake NG
|
|

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:31:51


You've been too busy making a fortune on Ebay. :-)

David G Fisher



> | Licensing is just an excuse. If Papyrus cared about us and really wanted
> to
> | do these things, they would. Only a fool would believe the licensing
> excuse.
> | I want to see proof that they are limited in what they cand do. I want
to
> | see the actual contracts.
> |
> | David G Fisher (who doesn't get the joke?)
> |



> | > >
> | > > Yay, a Papy employee responds, but ignores perfectly good points and
> | > > moans about legalese and the big boogy man that is Nascar.
> | > >
> | > > I don't care what Nascar will and will not let you do, the point of
> | > > the post was to suggest  what would make for a great N5.
> | >
> | > <SNIP indecipherable rambling>
> | >
> | > YFy... calm down & step away from the keyboard.  Set?  Good.  Now
think
> | > long & *** this one...  Without NASCAR's licensing. do you think
> | > "N5" would even get *released*?  Nevermind getting licenses from these
> | > racing facilities to include them in the first place.  Reread Scott's
> | > post & maybe you'll catch what he's saying.
> | >
> | > --
> | >
> | > Fester
> | >
> | > "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
> | > brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
> | >                                          from alt.linux.mandrake NG
> |
> |

Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:38:45



>and then there is the point of
>NASCAR again, do you really believe that NASCAR is going to let someone put
>out a game and not have liscensed drivers?

Um, what could they DO about it?  If you don't use "Nascar", there's no beef.
Someone could put out a game called "Stock Car Racing", don't use any
trademarks, and simply not pay the licensing fee to NASCAR.  What could NASCAR
do, and on what grounds?  Certainly not copyright infringement...

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