rec.autos.simulators

by **David Mocn** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for anyone who is fascinated
by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are judged). A
new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds quicker
than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to match this (I
think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's the press
release:
-----------------------------
Porsche 911 GT3
A new lap record at Nrburgring. The first production car to lap the northern
circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3 takes
7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
professional.
-----------------------------

Regards,
David Mocnay

by **Michae** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Did these 70's races at the Ring ever get TV coverage? I have some video
reviews of some 70's seasons but they never seem to show much of the
Nurburgring round - too many cameras required?

- Michael

by **Matthias Fla** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:48:43 -0400, Christopher Rossie

>In case anyone doesn't know the F1 "record" there in practice was 6:58.6
>by Niki Lauda, Ferrari, in 1975 (and I was there, got the announcement on audio
>tape too!)
>This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for anyone who is fascinated
>by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are judged).
>A new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds
>quicker than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to match this
>(I think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's
>the press release:
>Porsche 911 GT3
>A new lap record at Nuerburgring. The first production car to lap
>the northern
>circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911
>GT3 takes
>7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
>professional.

Attention! Your mileage does vary. The track lenghts and conditions
are different.
GPL is based on the 22.8km track like in 1967, bumpy and narrow.
After the F1 boycotted the Ring in 1970 and went to Hockenheim for the
German GP, the circuit was modified in 1970/71, so Lauda did his 6:58
lap on track that was less bumpy, a little wider and a little safer
than in GPL (plus, he had 500hp, slicks and wings).

Since the 1980s, the Nordschleife is 2km shorter, only 20.8km, because
the Start-Finish-Loop was demolished and replaced by the new 4.5km GP
track.
The modern 20.8km Nordschleife now turns right just after the
Hohenrain chicane and re-joins directly past the former Nordkurve to
Hatzenbach.
For these 20.8km, the german car magazine "Sportauto" AFAIR reported a
7:57 for a 600hp 911 Turbo and 7:49 for a 360hp 911 SuperCup (similar
to GT3) with racing tyres.
The motorcycle record is also 7:49.

For touring car racing (24hours and VLN), the 25km of Nordschleife+
full GP track, or 23.8km of Nordschleife + shortened GP track are
used.
For the 23.8km VLN track, cars like Viper GTS, Porsche 935 and former
DTM-cars Mercedes 190E and Opel Calibra do practice laps around 8:30,
sometimes in less than 8:20.
See http://www.nuerburgring.de/frame/wige_events_vln_body.html
and http://www.vln.home.pages.de

--
Matthias Flatt

by **Nathan Won** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> -----------------------------
> Porsche 911 GT3
> A new lap record at Nrburgring. The first production car to lap the northern
> circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3 takes
> 7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
> professional.
> -----------------------------

I was going to post the exact same thing, but David beat me to it.
However, we've got to consider whether this was the same track as the one
we "drive" in GPL. If so, then damn, that Porsche driver was good!

However, isn't the GT3 a specialized car like the Mercedes CLK-GTR?
That's also a production car...though modified just a tad for street driving.

Nathan

by **Andrew Middleto** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for anyone who is
fascinated
>by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are judged).
A
>new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds quicker
>than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to match this (I
>think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's the
press
>release:
>-----------------------------
>Porsche 911 GT3
>A new lap record at Nrburgring. The first production car to lap the
northern
>circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3
takes
>7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
>professional.
>-----------------------------

>Regards,
>David Mocnay

I was reading today's Autocar during lunch and although I haven't got it
here to check I'm pretty sure they said the new Skyline GTR Vspec has done
it in 7:55

Andy.

by **Andrew Middleto** » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I might be talking rubbish (has been known) but I think that the crash was
at the fast Bergwerk corner.

Andy.

by **Rob Adla** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I read just recently that the old shape (R33) Nissan GT-R was the first
production car to break 8 min around the old Nurburgring. In 1995?
The new R34 model is supposed to be around half a minute quicker around
the circuit than the old model.

--

Rob.

>This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for anyone who is
fascinated
>by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are judged).
A
>new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds quicker
>than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to match this (I
>think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's the
press
>release:
>-----------------------------
>Porsche 911 GT3
>A new lap record at Nrburgring. The first production car to lap the
northern
>circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3
takes
>7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
>professional.
>-----------------------------

>Regards,
>David Mocnay

by **David Mocn** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

That's not all. The all time best lap at Nurbugring is by a Porsche 936 (or
something like that ... it's a LeMans car from early 80s). They managed
something like 6:30!! (I can't remembe the exact time .. but it was fast).

Regards,
David Mocnay

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>In case anyone doesn't know the F1 "record" there in practice was 6:58.6
>by Niki
> Lauda, Ferrari, in 1975 (and I was there, got the announcement on audio
>tape too!)
> Chris

><blockquote TYPE=CITE>This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for
>anyone who is fascinated
> by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are judged).
>A
> new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds
>quicker
> than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to match this
>(I
> think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's
>the press
> release:
> -----------------------------
> Porsche 911 GT3
> A new lap record at Nürburgring. The first production car to lap
>the northern
> circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911
>GT3 takes
> 7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
> professional.
> -----------------------------
>Regards,
> David Mocnay</blockquote>
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by **David Mocn** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi Nathan,
Porsche claim that it is the "old" track. Also, GT3 is nothing like the
Mercedes CLK-GTR ... you'r thinking of GT1. GT3 is your basic 911 will about
150Kg saving, 275Kw (non turbo 3.6), bigger breaks (320mm) and more "race
tuned" suspension.

Go to www.porsche.com to read about the car as well as their Nurbugring"
claim.

Anyway, I'm very imressed. Just the other day I read an article where a
couple of test drivers had a Caterham7, RUF911 and Nissan GTR (this was like 3
years ago). They went to Nurbugring for a few days to see if they can break
the record. They got 8:07 in the Caterham (Lotus7 replica), while the RUF911
was a reall "beast" but mamaged about 8:16. The Nissan GTR did about 8:25 but
was a dream to drive an "alegedly" anyone in Nissan GTR can get that time. I
think it all caim about with them disputing Nissans claim that "Nissan GTR can
do Nurbugring in less than 8 minutes".

Regards,
David Mocnay

>> -----------------------------
>> Porsche 911 GT3
>> A new lap record at Nrburgring. The first production car to lap the northern

>> circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3 takes
>> 7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
>> professional.
>> -----------------------------

>I was going to post the exact same thing, but David beat me to it.
>However, we've got to consider whether this was the same track as the one
>we "drive" in GPL. If so, then damn, that Porsche driver was good!

>However, isn't the GT3 a specialized car like the Mercedes CLK-GTR?
>That's also a production car...though modified just a tad for street driving.

>Nathan

by **David Mocn** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Yeah, I read the same "crock" in car magazines. Though, few testdrives have
disproven "nissan's claim" .. they had "that" Nissan GTR there for a couple of
days. They knew the track backwards and the best they could do is 8:25. To my
knowledge that GTR that did 7:56 had racing tyres and suspension and was
pumping out about 50% more power than the road going version .... not really a
road car.

Than what do you believe. Then I'm having hard time believing that '95 Nissan
GTR is quicker (around Nurbugring in particular) than '97 Porsche 911 Turbo,
Ferrari 355, Ferrarri 550, Ferrari F40, Lambordini Diablo just to list a few
.. none of these ever got bellow 8:15.

Regards,
Dvaid Mocnay

by **John Walla** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Yes, I think that "road car" is a bit of a stretch for something to
satisfy homologation rules. The car it dethroned really is a road car
(the Caterham Superlight AFAI remember?).

There's a guy in Japan modified an F3 car to be street legal, with
mudguards (like a bicycle), lights, bumpers, everything. Could he
claim the "road car" record at the Nurburgring? Really sweet looking
car though, a real head turner. It must really suck when you pop down
to Safeway...!

Cheers!
John

by **Zonk** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>Path:
>There's a guy in Japan modified an F3 car to be street legal,

it was actually a ex-F3000/Nippon Car, not F3.

Z.

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by **John Walla** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Until recently the record for a standard road-car was held by Caterham
at a smidge over 8 minutes, so if a Nissan did ever manage under 8
minutes it wasn't standard. The power/weight ratio of a standard
Skyline isn't too good, it's the tuning potential that has made it
legendary. The standard road-car is legally allowed 112mph and 280hp
max by Japanese law, so I doubt it would break too many records.
That's why the road-going versions of the Impreza and Lancer have such
ferocious acceleration, since with "only" 112mph to reach the gearing
is incredibly short.

Cheers!
John

by **John Walla** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

In terms of a standard road car you're right, I don't think there's
any way an "as-sold" Skyline could go sub 8 minutes. Still, an "on the
road" version certainly could, since Skyline regularly approach or
exceed 1000hp in road-going trim - the chassis is specifically
designed to have more power added to it.

Cheers!
John

by **David Mocn** » Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi John,
I've seen the GT3s 1st hand (they had them at Merlbourne GP). The car is very
much a 911. It has exactly the same body (extept lower front wing and a
different back wing). It has all the interior trim and options of a standard
911. Even the engine looks like the standard 911 (obviously a lot more power
from it). I'd say it is more of a road car then a Ferrari 355, F40 or any of
the TVRs. I'd say it is to the new 911 what RS was to the previous shape.

Though, I aggree with you on the Caterham ... or even RUF Porsche.. they
shouldn't be alegibele to the "road car" hall of fame..

Regerds,
David

>>However, isn't the GT3 a specialized car like the Mercedes CLK-GTR?
>>That's also a production car...though modified just a tad for street driving.

>Yes, I think that "road car" is a bit of a stretch for something to
>satisfy homologation rules. The car it dethroned really is a road car
>(the Caterham Superlight AFAI remember?).

>There's a guy in Japan modified an F3 car to be street legal, with
>mudguards (like a bicycle), lights, bumpers, everything. Could he
>claim the "road car" record at the Nurburgring? Really sweet looking
>car though, a real head turner. It must really suck when you pop down
>to Safeway...!

>Cheers!
>John

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