A Caterham is a road car? OK, then a CLK-GTR is a road car. Caterham makes
what, about 12 cars a year? You can put lights and a horn on anything you
like, but a production car is a freaking Escort or something similar, in my
opinion.
Then again, my opinion has been called many derogatory things by many
intelligent people, could be I'm wrong.
Don McCorkle
Libertarian Motorsports
Stephen
: Hi John,
: I've seen the GT3s 1st hand (they had them at Merlbourne GP). The car is very
: much a 911. It has exactly the same body (extept lower front wing and a
: different back wing). It has all the interior trim and options of a standard
: 911. Even the engine looks like the standard 911 (obviously a lot more power
: from it). I'd say it is more of a road car then a Ferrari 355, F40 or any of
: the TVRs. I'd say it is to the new 911 what RS was to the previous shape.
And wasn't it just the most fun, least practical car you've ever seen?
:-)
What happens if he meets some cute girl while out cruising some night?
Wind on a few degrees of rear wing and let her sit there? Petrol must
be quite an expense also...!
Cheers!
John
> >However, isn't the GT3 a specialized car like the Mercedes CLK-GTR?
> >That's also a production car...though modified just a tad for street driving.
> Yes, I think that "road car" is a bit of a stretch for something to
> satisfy homologation rules. The car it dethroned really is a road car
> (the Caterham Superlight AFAI remember?).
The Porsche has many more creature comforts.
Yes - I saw that on Top Gear once. Crazy!
- Michael
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% Very good point and thanks for all the info!
% <br>Chris
% <blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:48:43 -0400, Christopher Rossie
% <p>>In case anyone doesn't know the F1 "record" there in practice was 6:58.6
% <br>>by Niki Lauda, Ferrari, in 1975 (and I was there, got the announcement
% on audio
% <br>>tape too!)
% <p>>This is not entirelly "simulator" oriented, but for anyone who is fascinated
% <br>>by the the Nurbegring track in GPL (a track by which all cars are
% judged).
% <br>>A new fastest lap has been posted.... mind you it's about 40 seconds
% <br>>quicker than I've managed in GPL and I dount anyone will be able to
% match this
% <br>>(I think just under 8 minutes seems to be the "ceiling". Anyway, here's
% <br>>the press release:
% <p>>Porsche 911 GT3
% <br>>A new lap record at Nuerburgring. The first production car to lap
% <br>>the northern
% <br>>circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911
% <br>>GT3 takes
% <br>>7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real
% <br>>professional.
% <p>Attention! Your mileage does vary. The track lenghts and conditions
% <br>are different.
% <br>GPL is based on the 22.8km track like in 1967, bumpy and narrow.
% <br>After the F1 boycotted the Ring in 1970 and went to Hockenheim for
% the
% <br>German GP, the circuit was modified in 1970/71, so Lauda did his 6:58
% <br>lap on track that was less bumpy, a little wider and a little safer
% <br>than in GPL (plus, he had 500hp, slicks and wings).
% <p>Since the 1980s, the Nordschleife is 2km shorter, only 20.8km, because
% <br>the Start-Finish-Loop was demolished and replaced by the new 4.5km
% GP
% <br>track.
% <br>The modern 20.8km Nordschleife now turns right just after the
% <br>Hohenrain chicane and re-joins directly past the former Nordkurve to
% <br>Hatzenbach.
% <br>For these 20.8km, the german car magazine "Sportauto" AFAIR reported
% a
% <br>7:57 for a 600hp 911 Turbo and 7:49 for a 360hp 911 SuperCup (similar
% <br>to GT3) with racing tyres.
% <br>The motorcycle record is also 7:49.
% <p>For touring car racing (24hours and VLN), the 25km of Nordschleife+
% <br>full GP track, or 23.8km of Nordschleife + shortened GP track are
% <br>used.
% <br>For the 23.8km VLN track, cars like Viper GTS, Porsche 935 and former
% <br>DTM-cars Mercedes 190E and Opel Calibra do practice laps around 8:30,
% <br>sometimes in less than 8:20.
% <br>See <a href="http://www.nuerburgring.de/frame/wige_events_vln_body.html">http://www.nuerburgring.de/frame/wige_events_vln_body.html</a>
% <br>and <a href="http://www.vln.home.pages.de">http://www.vln.home.pages.de</a>
% <p>--
% <br>Matthias Flatt</blockquote>
% </html>
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>>There's a guy in Japan modified an F3 car to be street legal,
>it was actually a ex-F3000/Nippon Car, not F3.
>Z.
Forgive me, I can drive but im a "L" plater when it comes to knowlage
& history on cars.
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Please remove the "NOWT" from email if replying.
soz bout tha speeling.
6:25.8, or an average speed of 135.4mph !
The Caterham 7 actually held the Nurburgring record (until the Porsche GT3
came along) at 8:06.2.
For the record, the Caterham 7 isn't a Lotus 7 replica, but an evoloution
of the Lotus 7. Colin Chapman (Lotus of course) sold the legal ownership
of the 7 design to Graham Nearn (Mr Caterham) who continued to manufacturer
the 7 as per the Lotus design. Since then, the 7 has slowly evolved to
accomodate more modern engines and such like.
Where is all this leading? Last week I had an e-mail from Caterham
themselves pledging that they are determined to win the record back!
Considering the 7 set it's record in damp conditions (with autumnal leaves
on the track too!) this could be a possability. If not, perhaps Caterham
will develop a more powerful, lighter car (fingers crossed, eh?).
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Jules
Ah, but your reposting is the first here on AOL that I've seen with active
hyperlinks - no copy and paste! :o)
Bob
(Unix network admin)
Regards,
David Mocnay
>6:25.8, or an average speed of 135.4mph !
>> That's not all. The all time best lap at Nurbugring is by a Porsche 936
>(or
>> something like that ... it's a LeMans car from early 80s). They managed
>> something like 6:30!! (I can't remembe the exact time .. but it was
>fast).
>> Regards,
>> David Mocnay
