people will be able to enjoy it. If you're one of them then good for you.
Jan.
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Jan.
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:09:32 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
If magazine's and websites won't be honest (they're not) and the
company won't give you a demo to test drive, realistically I don't
think anything else can be reasonably expected. You drive a car before
you buy it, you listen to music before you buy it, you watch a trailer
before buying a movie. In this industry if no demo exists it's
generally because the developer doesn't want you to know the game is
horrible. So ingenuity finds a way - that's human nature, and it's why
we have computer at all.
John
For me it was just another weapon in my struggle against Crammond
idolisation. ;-)
Jan.
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High ground or mud, black or white? I had expected rather better from
you than the typical r.a.s. polarisation.
John
My expectations were that it be nothing more than GP2 with enhanced
graphics. I think that MY expectations may very well be met.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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expecting a F1 sim of
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Todd S.
Life - ***ly transmitted, Always fatal
> >Nicely put Bruce. I wonder if all those who have downloaded the
> >Warez version had been forced to buy GP3 they would be so quick
> >to point out the negative aspects. I'm sure they would be more
> >inclined to appreciate the positive features of what I still
> >believe will be a great sim.
> Those who liked it woud like it, those who didn't would be even more
> hacked off that they had been duped into paying 30 for GP2 all over
> again.
> If magazine's and websites won't be honest (they're not) and the
> company won't give you a demo to test drive, realistically I don't
> think anything else can be reasonably expected. You drive a car before
> you buy it, you listen to music before you buy it, you watch a trailer
> before buying a movie. In this industry if no demo exists it's
> generally because the developer doesn't want you to know the game is
> horrible. So ingenuity finds a way - that's human nature, and it's why
> we have computer at all.
> John
Bullshit.
Definition of theft -
To procure goods or property with intent to permanently deprive the legal
owner.
Warez is simple theft, or in the hands of somebody who has downloaded it
from a site, reciept of stolen goods. Sure, people can try warez products to
see if they would like the product or not. In the same manner, I could go
and steal a chocolate bar from the local shop before I decide whether I like
the taste or not and whether I will buy more of the same. No matter what
play on words people like to go with, once one's hands are soiled with the
"swag", curiosity is no justification for committing the initial act of
theft.
LOL.
Sorry M'lud, I ripped off this software because I wanted to know if it was
any good or not before I bought it.
People have of late, taken great pleasure in lambasting British football
hooligans and branding all British football supporters with the same iron.
For every hooligan there are ten England fans who are decent hardworking and
genuine sporting fans. These people are branded as the scum of Europe
because they travel on the same planes, share the same hotels and stand on
the same terraces as their lowlife counterparts.
In the same manner, all gamers (or all other software users come to that)
are branded as potential thieves because of the warez supporting people
amongst them. This is why we see CD protection and other measures
implemented. For every 10 persons who download a warez game (to evaluate)
and deletes it, rest assured that there will be at least 1 who will keep it
on their hard disk. (If people do not believe this they are plain stupid).
Despite the claims of the so called innocent 9 that they are evaluating a
product, what is really happening is that they are generating sufficient
traffic to justify the running of such sites. Warez sites in the main. keep
going by click-thru banner exchanges and other money making scams such as
linking to premium *** sites. By evaluating software in this manner, you
are all guilty to a small degree of ensuring that at least 10% of people
visiting warez sites appropriate software by illegal means, with the
intention of permanently depriving the authors of any revenue. Wake up guys.
You want top programmers to perform miracles and then treat them with this
contempt?
How many angles to denounce theft does a decent citicen need before he is
convinced? Just curious
MS
And there will be those who simply rip it off.
MS
I sympathise with an industry that gets ripped off for many millions every
year through piracy.
There have been market leaders and plagurists in every industry that ever
existed. the leaders and innovators are the ones who tend to survive in the
long term.
Also I know for a fact that
Again, unethical practice exists everywhere. Of course, reviewers tend to be
less than knowledgeable at times!
So go buy software from shops with a returns policy or make efforts to make
these issues known. Inadequate software will continue to be released once
there ceases to be a market for it.
Stick with the ones who have a reputation for producing decent titles then.
The others will fall by the wayside. Everybody has the right to vote with
their feet.
MS
We even had (still have) a private NG where we discussed GPL months before
the official release. Do your homework buddy. We were discussing the
officially released demo !!
MS
> may he who has never used winzip past its 30 day shareware limit cast the
> first stone.
--
Chuck Kandler
A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
> It reminds me very much of the MP3 controversy. It would take
> either a very big and threatening man, or else a gorgeous semi-***
> babe to get me to listen to ANYTHING by "Metallica", but that guy's
> "music" should not be available to anyone who hasn't bought a CD or
> tape, or attended a concert, or listened to an advertiser-supported
> radio station. MY not-very-humble opinion! :-)) Glen Priest
--
Chuck Kandler
A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Based on your definition then it is not theft to try warez before the game
is out and then buy the game when it is released. Because if this is done it
in no way permanently deprives the legal owner.
LOL
--
Todd S.
Life - ***ly transmitted, Always fatal
> > I agree. The only genuine argument the anti-warez people could put is
> that
> > some of the people who have downloaded won't buy it because it doesn't
> meet
> > their expectations. That's fair enough, but there are plenty of people
> who
> > have downloaded it and will now buy it.
> And there will be those who simply rip it off.
> MS
> > About warez in general, how much sympathy can you have for the industry
as
> a
> > whole when it consistently churns out so much mediocre rubbish,
> I sympathise with an industry that gets ripped off for many millions every
> year through piracy.
> > or when it
> > produces so many blatant copies of other games.
> There have been market leaders and plagurists in every industry that ever
> existed. the leaders and innovators are the ones who tend to survive in
the
> long term.
> Also I know for a fact that
> > many companies literally bribe reviewers.
> Again, unethical practice exists everywhere. Of course, reviewers tend to
be
> less than knowledgeable at times!
> > games that are released bug-ridden and unfinished.
> So go buy software from shops with a returns policy or make efforts to
make
> these issues known. Inadequate software will continue to be released once
> there ceases to be a market for it.
> > Given this sort of attitude from the majority of the industry it's no
> wonder
> > people resort to warez rather than get ripped off.
> Stick with the ones who have a reputation for producing decent titles
then.
> The others will fall by the wayside. Everybody has the right to vote with
> their feet.
> MS