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West Racing Legends

Milhous

West Racing Legends

by Milhous » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:31:50

Emphasis on BUY. ;)

Milhouse




> >If it's what it looks like it will be...it'll probably be the last racing
> >sim I buy, ever...

> >Milhouse

> That's what Derek Smart said about Battlecruiser 3000 AD too :)

> Andre

Dan Leac

West Racing Legends

by Dan Leac » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:26:30

Nigel you seem desperate and almost wild-eyed that this sim doesnt come
out... why? I mean i can understand ppl being sceptical but u seem to have
some other agenda... will you lose a $1000 bet if it comes out or something?
Ive talked to the wests quite a bit and  i know ppl that have driven beta's
of wsc/rl and i know they do very high quality work.Why cant 2 ppl create a
concept like this? one person did it with x plane (a very similar concept)
If you have nother useful to say at all why say anything? why not just shut
up and go back to gt3 or ridge racer?
 dan



> > Maybe its time for some of the 'vapour ware' guys to finally shut up.
This
> > looks absolutly stunning. :)  :P
> >   dan

> Oh my giddy aunt..
> Take this not personal Dan but .........Jesus Christ......... What do you
> mean the vapour ware guys finally shut up.  WSC is vapourware , it hasn't
> happened. West Bros haven't even bothered to mention it. RL is a new
> concept.  Note the word "concept". Why did the West Bros bother with this
> new web page at all. Why did they not just let the sim world go on about
WSC
> until they had something "real" to offer with this RL thing. Then do the
web
> page with a ***ing demo.  I mean they strung us along for a couple of
years
> now on WSC. Now we are expect to ignore it and jump on the RL band wagon.
> ***y hell.  All I need now is to get this hook,line and sinker out of my
> guts.

> Going by the one and only car picture on the West Bros site one could have
> been forgiven they wre looking at GPL2. Did Papy sell their GPL
> code.........

> I ask everyone here that really gives a shit  if they have at some stage
sat
> back and thought of a really awsome racing sim that could be added to with
> new packs as time goes on.  Plug in new cars with their own physics ra ra
> ra. etc etc. RL is one of these sit back and dream things. Its a
"concept".
> And thats the trouble with the West Bros.  They are always a "Everything
> will be revieled later this year" song. They are always later this year.

> I wonder how long we will play their "lets drag the suckers along for a
> couple of years" game this time.
> Even my weakest fart has had more sustance than the West Bros can manage
in
> a racing sim.
> And whats this FAQ section of the site saying "here is the answer to the
> most frequently asked question".  How can they be, we only just heard
about
> this new concept in the last day or so.

> Phew,  now I go get some fresh air.
> I should have weaker coffee's too.

> No *** flaming guys. I'm just having my toot.
> In the end I'm here for the fun.

> I'd like to thank my mother......
> Bye
> Nigel

Gunnar Horrigm

West Racing Legends

by Gunnar Horrigm » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:42:14


has anyone made that particular retail strategy work yet?  last I
checked, games retailing online were lucky to sell 200 copies.

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Joe Marque

West Racing Legends

by Joe Marque » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:29:09

Combat mission.  Pretty sure this game sold tens of thousands of copies
online only (possibly more, I couldn't find any hard data but it's a very
successful game).

--
Joe Marques



> > The idea of just bringing it out only online was born quite soon after
> > the Wests & Empire split. Almost a year ago I'd say.

> has anyone made that particular retail strategy work yet?  last I
> checked, games retailing online were lucky to sell 200 copies.

> --
> Gunnar
>     #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo: 2
>                "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

Joe Marque

West Racing Legends

by Joe Marque » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:54:56


Scenario:

Meeting at Empire when West Bros. consummated the sale of WSC code to
Empire.

Miscellaneous factoid: 4 lawyers present for every principle involved.

Most Expensive Lawyer: "Chris and Tony, in exchange for valuable
consideration you transfer ownership of all intellectual property known as
"WSC", do you both understand?"

<all other lawyers simply nod an grin while pretending to take notes to
justify their $300/hour bill>

Tony & Chris: "YES!" <cha-ching!>

Most Expensive Lawyer:  "This means you can never use, utilize, reverse
engineer, sideways engineer, forward engineer, unpack, unfurl, unwind, or in
any way manipulate or juggle the original code to World Sports Cars racing
the computer game/PS2 game/XBOX game/"misc. console game", hereinafter
referred to as "WSC" for simplicity. You are hereby surrendering, giving up,
ditching, tossing, throwing away the ownership, possession, legal
guardianship and any form of holding or touching heretofore ad infinitum,
forever and ever, until death do us part, now you may kiss the bride, go in
peace, amen, do you understand?

Tony & Chris: <visibly confused> "Yes? . . . We mean YES!" <cha-ching!>

4-hours later back home:

Chris & Tony boot up their development machine and quietly insert an
unmarked CD-ROM (purposefully scuffed and marred on the back side to look
unimportant and worthless) containing the authentic WSC code the just
"sold".  Tony changes one line of code, Chris clicks the "save" button and
Shazaam! - an "entirely new project" is born!

Lesson:

Always remember to read BETWEEN the lines. ;0)

Disclaimer:

This account is fictional in nature.  Any reference to actual events, places
or persons is strictly for the purposes of attempted humor.  Any reference
to actual persons (living, dead or cryogenically frozen), events or software
is purely coincidental (except the part about the lawyers, they really are
over priced and generally useless).

--
Joe Marques

Gunnar Horrigm

West Racing Legends

by Gunnar Horrigm » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:46





> > > The idea of just bringing it out only online was born quite soon after
> > > the Wests & Empire split. Almost a year ago I'd say.

> > has anyone made that particular retail strategy work yet?  last I
> > checked, games retailing online were lucky to sell 200 copies.

> Combat mission.  Pretty sure this game sold tens of thousands of copies
> online only (possibly more, I couldn't find any hard data but it's a very
> successful game).

hm.  don't think I've ever heard of it.  got an url?

--
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                 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm?leren v?r."

Steve Smit

West Racing Legends

by Steve Smit » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:49:06

Antietam.  Did well enuf (as did Combat Mission) to go retail.



> > The idea of just bringing it out only online was born quite soon after
> > the Wests & Empire split. Almost a year ago I'd say.

> has anyone made that particular retail strategy work yet?  last I
> checked, games retailing online were lucky to sell 200 copies.

> --
> Gunnar
>     #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo: 2
>                "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

Steve Smit

West Racing Legends

by Steve Smit » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:50:39

Good one, Joe!




> > Looks like the concept is everything we (well, at least I)
> > have wished for. It's almost scary how close it is to
> > the hard core niche product many have asked for in
> > this newsgroup.

> > The phrase 'This is an entirely new project' makes
> > me a bit worried though...

> Scenario:

> Meeting at Empire when West Bros. consummated the sale of WSC code to
> Empire.

> Miscellaneous factoid: 4 lawyers present for every principle involved.

> Most Expensive Lawyer: "Chris and Tony, in exchange for valuable
> consideration you transfer ownership of all intellectual property known as
> "WSC", do you both understand?"

> <all other lawyers simply nod an grin while pretending to take notes to
> justify their $300/hour bill>

> Tony & Chris: "YES!" <cha-ching!>

> Most Expensive Lawyer:  "This means you can never use, utilize, reverse
> engineer, sideways engineer, forward engineer, unpack, unfurl, unwind, or
in
> any way manipulate or juggle the original code to World Sports Cars racing
> the computer game/PS2 game/XBOX game/"misc. console game", hereinafter
> referred to as "WSC" for simplicity. You are hereby surrendering, giving
up,
> ditching, tossing, throwing away the ownership, possession, legal
> guardianship and any form of holding or touching heretofore ad infinitum,
> forever and ever, until death do us part, now you may kiss the bride, go
in
> peace, amen, do you understand?

> Tony & Chris: <visibly confused> "Yes? . . . We mean YES!" <cha-ching!>

> 4-hours later back home:

> Chris & Tony boot up their development machine and quietly insert an
> unmarked CD-ROM (purposefully scuffed and marred on the back side to look
> unimportant and worthless) containing the authentic WSC code the just
> "sold".  Tony changes one line of code, Chris clicks the "save" button and
> Shazaam! - an "entirely new project" is born!

> Lesson:

> Always remember to read BETWEEN the lines. ;0)

> Disclaimer:

> This account is fictional in nature.  Any reference to actual events,
places
> or persons is strictly for the purposes of attempted humor.  Any reference
> to actual persons (living, dead or cryogenically frozen), events or
software
> is purely coincidental (except the part about the lawyers, they really are
> over priced and generally useless).

> --
> Joe Marques

P_Ales

West Racing Legends

by P_Ales » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:01:20

Ditto john...
When that CD is in my hand,and not until then....


> What looks stunning?  All we have to go on is some two-year-old screen
> shots, and a newly designed web page.

> Sure, it SOUNDS good, but I'll reserve judgement for the product release
> (if there is indeed one this this time - and I honestly hope there is).



> > Maybe its time for some of the 'vapour ware' guys to finally shut up.
This
> > looks absolutly stunning. :)  :P
> >   dan



> > > Looks like the concept is everything we (well, at least I)
> > > have wished for. It's almost scary how close it is to
> > > the hard core niche product many have asked for in
> > > this newsgroup.

> > > The phrase 'This is an entirely new project' makes
> > > me a bit worried though...

> > >       _
> > > Mats Lofkvist

> > > PS it is at http://www.west-racing.com

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Uncle Feste

West Racing Legends

by Uncle Feste » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:50:16


> hm.  don't think I've ever heard of it.  got an url?

http://www.battlefront.com/

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mark jeangerar

West Racing Legends

by mark jeangerar » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:38:44

You are about to be the biggest U-Turn in r.a.s. history, my friend.

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make it."
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mark

Jan Verschuere

West Racing Legends

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:55:25

Even bigger than Ian Lake suddenly supporting minimum ride height in GPL
after we called him a hotlapper? ;-)

Jan.
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