Jan.
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>Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main British
>force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
>German, of course) in that area.
The coldest, snowiest weather in memory in the Ardennes Forest on the
German/Belgium border.
Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought on
both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
Canadian and French troops.
Is that clear enough?
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
MS
> >And?
> >I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
> >American which fought in the Spa area.
> >Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
British
> >force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> >German, of course) in that area.
> BATTLE FACTS
> The coldest, snowiest weather "in memory" in the Ardennes Forest on the
> German/Belgium border.
> Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought
on
> both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
> 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
> 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
> The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
> Canadian and French troops.
> Is that clear enough?
> Z.
> Please remove my_pants when replying.
<snip>
Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".
--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
Jan.
My apologies,
Jan.
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<snip>
> How did this empty one get here? -It's not even in my "Sent Items" folder!
> Probably related to triple post further down.
> My apologies,
--
Chuck Kandler
A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.
Jon
> Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main British
> force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> German, of course) in that area.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
> > From a man who fought in the war...
> > http://www.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm
> > Jon
> > > If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities fighting in
> or
> > > around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that direction.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------
> > > > You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian,
> Polish,
> > > > French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
> > > Apologies
> > > > to any nation who I may have missed out.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Phil
> > > > > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in WW-II
(the
> > > > > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the
Bulge.
> > > > > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I looked
at
> a
> > > > > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was surprised
> when
> > > > > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me -- Stavelot,
> > > > > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from Elsenborn.
I
> > > > > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > > > > his "travels" in 1944-45?
> > > > > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races
in
> > > > > this area just a few years after so many American and German
> soldiers
> > > > > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...
> > > > > Doug Gordon
> > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > > > Before you buy.
> >David, I am intrigued by your words "despite the licence taken with
> >some of the events".
> >Which event (or events) in the film do you have an issue with?
> >(Bear in mind, of course, that the only part of the film that
> >portrayed a well-documented historical fact was the landing on Omaha
> >Beach).
> <snip>
> Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
> to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".
Jon
> > Read it again for the first time!
> > Jon
> > > And?
> > > I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other
> than
> > > American which fought in the Spa area.
> > > Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
> British
> > > force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> > > German, of course) in that area.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------
> > > > From a man who fought in the war...
> > > > http://www.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm
> > > > Jon
> > > > > If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities
fighting
> in
> > > or
> > > > > around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that
> direction.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian,
> > > Polish,
> > > > > > French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
> > > > > Apologies
> > > > > > to any nation who I may have missed out.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > > > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in
WW-II
> > (the
> > > > > > > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the
> > Bulge.
> > > > > > > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I
> looked
> > at
> > > a
> > > > > > > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was
surprised
> > > when
> > > > > > > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me --
Stavelot,
> > > > > > > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from
> Elsenborn.
> > I
> > > > > > > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > > > > > > his "travels" in 1944-45?
> > > > > > > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international
> races
> > in
> > > > > > > this area just a few years after so many American and German
> > > soldiers
> > > > > > > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...
> > > > > > > Doug Gordon
> > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > > > > > Before you buy.
I'm referring to the SPA-FRANCORCHAMPS area.
Which British troops fought within the area that includes the villages in
Doug's original post....Malmedy, Stavelot etc.?
I cannot find any indication in my reference material to any unit
designations other than American and German that were within a stone's throw
of what we now think of as the Spa circuit.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> >And?
> >I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
> >American which fought in the Spa area.
> >Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
British
> >force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> >German, of course) in that area.
> BATTLE FACTS
> The coldest, snowiest weather "in memory" in the Ardennes Forest on the
> German/Belgium border.
> Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought
on
> both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
> 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
> 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
> The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
> Canadian and French troops.
> Is that clear enough?
> Z.
> Please remove my_pants when replying.
> >David, I am intrigued by your words "despite the licence taken with
> >some of the events".
> >Which event (or events) in the film do you have an issue with?
> >(Bear in mind, of course, that the only part of the film that
> >portrayed a well-documented historical fact was the landing on Omaha
> >Beach).
> <snip>
> Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
> to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".
> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
And no, there is no need for you to give details regarding either relatives
sent to forced labour camps or those who served. Although Australia is a
zillion miles from Europe we also have one or two people here who are
related to those Aussies who fought, and in some cases died, in the towns
and countryside of Europe, not to mention the Pacific, Asia and Middle East.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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