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Dad was at Spa

Jan Verschuere

Dad was at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Nice sentiment Doug. My apologies for jumping on the wrong wagon there.

Jan.
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Jan Verschuere

Dad was at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Nice sentiment Doug. My apologies for jumping on the wrong wagon there.

Jan.
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Jan Verschuere

Dad was at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Nice sentiment Doug. My apologies for jumping on the wrong wagon there.

Jan.
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Zonk

Dad was at Spa

by Zonk » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>And?
>I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
>American which fought in the Spa area.

>Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main British
>force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
>German, of course) in that area.

BATTLE FACTS

The coldest, snowiest weather in memory in the Ardennes Forest on the
German/Belgium border.
Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought on
both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
Canadian and French troops.

Is that clear enough?

Z.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

m.seer

Dad was at Spa

by m.seer » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Getting a bit off topic here aint we mr Z <G>

MS



> >And?
> >I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
> >American which fought in the Spa area.

> >Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
British
> >force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> >German, of course) in that area.

> BATTLE FACTS

> The coldest, snowiest weather "in memory" in the Ardennes Forest on the
> German/Belgium border.
> Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought
on
> both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
> 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
> 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
> The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
> Canadian and French troops.

> Is that clear enough?

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

David Butte

Dad was at Spa

by David Butte » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00


<snip>

Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Jan Verschuere

Dad was at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Major newsreader hickup here, my apologies.

Jan.

Jan Verschuere

Dad was at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

How did this empty one get here? -It's not even in my "Sent Items" folder!
Probably related to triple post further down.

My apologies,

Jan.
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Uncle Feste

Dad was at Spa

by Uncle Feste » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> How did this empty one get here? -It's not even in my "Sent Items" folder!
> Probably related to triple post further down.

> My apologies,

Outbreak Express strikes again! :-))

--
Chuck Kandler

A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

Jon Van Ginneke

Dad was at Spa

by Jon Van Ginneke » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Read it again for the first time!

Jon


> And?
> I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
> American which fought in the Spa area.

> Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main British
> force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> German, of course) in that area.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > From a man who fought in the war...
> > http://www.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm

> > Jon



> > > If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities fighting in
> or
> > > around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that direction.

> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------



> > > > You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian,
> Polish,
> > > > French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
> > > Apologies
> > > > to any nation who I may have missed out.

> > > > Cheers

> > > > Phil



> > > > > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in WW-II
(the
> > > > > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the
Bulge.
> > > > > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I looked
at
> a
> > > > > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was surprised
> when
> > > > > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me -- Stavelot,
> > > > > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from Elsenborn.
I
> > > > > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > > > > his "travels" in 1944-45?

> > > > > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races
in
> > > > > this area just a few years after so many American and German
> soldiers
> > > > > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> > > > >   Doug Gordon

> > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > > > Before you buy.

Gaul

Dad was at Spa

by Gaul » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00




> >David, I am intrigued by your words "despite the licence taken with
> >some of the events".

> >Which event (or events) in the film do you have an issue with?
> >(Bear in mind, of course, that the only part of the film that
> >portrayed a well-documented historical fact was the landing on Omaha
> >Beach).
> <snip>

> Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
> to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".

How so?  A small American infantry unit lands on an American assigned beach.
This film did little to give an impression of the WHOLE of D-Day, either US
or Allied.  Following your line of thinking here, one could also claim that
the various Allied navies, air forces, intelligence officers, and many
others crucial to the event were overlooked in this depiction.  And
overlooked they were, but the thrust of the film isn't toward a documentary.
Maybe you were expecting something along the lines of an updated and vastly
improved "The Longest Day", which SPR is not.
Jon Van Ginneke

Dad was at Spa

by Jon Van Ginneke » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

http://www.heartofeurope.com/bulgeinc.html
Enjoy...

Jon


> I have, Jon and can only assume that you are directing my attention to the
> "within a few miles of" phrase?
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > Read it again for the first time!

> > Jon



> > > And?
> > > I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other
> than
> > > American which fought in the Spa area.

> > > Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
> British
> > > force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> > > German, of course) in that area.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------



> > > > From a man who fought in the war...
> > > > http://www.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm

> > > > Jon



> > > > > If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities
fighting
> in
> > > or
> > > > > around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that
> direction.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > > > ---------------------------



> > > > > > You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian,
> > > Polish,
> > > > > > French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
> > > > > Apologies
> > > > > > to any nation who I may have missed out.

> > > > > > Cheers

> > > > > > Phil



> > > > > > > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in
WW-II
> > (the
> > > > > > > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the
> > Bulge.
> > > > > > > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I
> looked
> > at
> > > a
> > > > > > > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was
surprised
> > > when
> > > > > > > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me --
Stavelot,
> > > > > > > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from
> Elsenborn.
> > I
> > > > > > > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > > > > > > his "travels" in 1944-45?

> > > > > > > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international
> races
> > in
> > > > > > > this area just a few years after so many American and German
> > > soldiers
> > > > > > > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> > > > > > >   Doug Gordon

> > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > > > > > Before you buy.

Bruce Kennewel

Dad was at Spa

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

No, Zonk, it's not.

I'm referring to the SPA-FRANCORCHAMPS area.
Which British troops fought within the area that includes the villages in
Doug's original post....Malmedy, Stavelot etc.?

I cannot find any indication in my reference material to any unit
designations other than American and German that were within a stone's throw
of what we now think of as the Spa circuit.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> >And?
> >I stand by my original question...show me evidence of any unit other than
> >American which fought in the Spa area.

> >Unless it was a British platoon that became detached from the main
British
> >force and horribly lost, there were no units other than American (and
> >German, of course) in that area.

> BATTLE FACTS

> The coldest, snowiest weather "in memory" in the Ardennes Forest on the
> German/Belgium border.
> Over a million men, 500,000 Germans, 600,000 Americans (more than fought
on
> both sides at Gettysburg) and 55,000 British.
> 3 German armies, 10 corps, the equivalent of 29 divisions.
> 3 American armies, 6 corps, the equivalent of 31 divisions.
> The equivalent of 3 British divisions as well as contingents of Belgian,
> Canadian and French troops.

> Is that clear enough?

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

Bruce Kennewel

Dad was at Spa

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Only one *major* movie depicts the Normandy landings on D-Day as a
combined-nations operation.....and that is "The Longest Day".
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> >David, I am intrigued by your words "despite the licence taken with
> >some of the events".

> >Which event (or events) in the film do you have an issue with?
> >(Bear in mind, of course, that the only part of the film that
> >portrayed a well-documented historical fact was the landing on Omaha
> >Beach).
> <snip>

> Yes, OK, badly phrased. What I really meant was "carefully framed so as
> to give the impression that the whole of D-Day was a US operation".

> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Bruce Kennewel

Dad was at Spa

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Ah! The local constabulary....NOT representatives of the Axis or Allied
forces.  Fair enough. I misinterpreted your statement.....sorry about that.

And no, there is no need for you to give details regarding either relatives
sent to forced labour camps or those who served.  Although Australia is a
zillion miles from Europe we also have one or two people here who are
related to those Aussies who fought, and in some cases died, in the towns
and countryside of Europe, not to mention the Pacific, Asia and Middle East.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------



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