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Dad was at Spa

Doug Gordo

Dad was at Spa

by Doug Gordo » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in WW-II (the
99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the Bulge.
They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I looked at a
map that showed information on the battle lines, I was surprised when
the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me -- Stavelot,
Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from Elsenborn. I
wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
his "travels" in 1944-45?

It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

  Doug Gordon

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Zonk

Dad was at Spa

by Zonk » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
>this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
>had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan. There
were other's soldiers around.

Z.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

Phil Le

Dad was at Spa

by Phil Le » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian, Polish,
French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.  Apologies
to any nation who I may have missed out.

Cheers

Phil


Gene Boni

Dad was at Spa

by Gene Boni » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

What's your problem Zonky. Cool it!

Gene




> >It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> >this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> >had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan.
There
> were other's soldiers around.

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

Gordon McLachla

Dad was at Spa

by Gordon McLachla » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The Battle of the Bulge was a German attack against the American 1st Army.
The Americans lost close to 80,000 men there. The British were also
involved, but to a much lesser degree, losing about 1,400 men.

So, please forgive Doug for writing about this as a German/American battle,
and *** you.

Regards,
Gordon




> >It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> >this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> >had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan.
There
> were other's soldiers around.

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

Andre Warring

Dad was at Spa

by Andre Warring » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:19:36 -0500, "Gene Bonin"


>What's your problem Zonky. Cool it!

Zonky said it a little bit harsh, but I know what he means. It
bothered me too that Saving Private Ryan made it seem that only
Americans were involved.

Andre

>Gene





>> >It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
>> >this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
>> >had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

>> Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan.
>There
>> were other's soldiers around.

>> Z.

>> Please remove my_pants when replying.

Gaul

Dad was at Spa

by Gaul » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:19:36 -0500, "Gene Bonin"

> >What's your problem Zonky. Cool it!

> Zonky said it a little bit harsh, but I know what he means. It
> bothered me too that Saving Private Ryan made it seem that only
> Americans were involved.

I see your point, but personally I never assumed that the film was intended
to be an exhaustive history of the D-Day landings and aftermath.  It's a
Spielberg movie after all- remember his film "1942"?  Best forgotten :-)  It
struck me as more of a human interest drama with a military setting,
following a small American unit wandering through American assigned zones.
The exact same story could have been done with a British unit landing on
Sword beach and searching for a lost airborne trooper around Caen and I'd
have been just as interested.  And I doubt that I'd even notice any absence
of Americans unless the landing were done on Omaha or something.

Maybe the upcoming "Band of Brothers" will show a larger cross section of
participants.

Jon Van Ginneke

Dad was at Spa

by Jon Van Ginneke » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Try 20k...80k were wounded + dead + MIA.

It was a whopping 200, again you are citing wounded + dead + MIA...

This was a batlle in which Brittish, Belgian, Canadians, and French troops
also fought; sure there were much more Americans and Nazis but give credit
where credit is due!  Also give credit to the citizens who lived through
that ***in those towns.  Zonky may have made a harsh statement, but true
none-the-less....so calm down.

Jon

Andre Warring

Dad was at Spa

by Andre Warring » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:54:35 -0400, "Gault"


>I see your point, but personally I never assumed that the film was intended
>to be an exhaustive history of the D-Day landings and aftermath.  It's a
>Spielberg movie after all- remember his film "1942"?  Best forgotten :-)  It
>struck me as more of a human interest drama with a military setting,

I should have added that the movie made a huge impression on me,
especially the first part, the landing at the beach. Really showed how
terrible war can be. And don't forget Spielberg's Schindler's List,
imho the best war movie ever. Now that movie really made a huge
impression on me.

Andre

Andre Warring

Dad was at Spa

by Andre Warring » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:50:32 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"


>What's wrong with you people?

>"SPR" was a film about a group of AMERICAN soldiers looking for another
>AMERICAN soldier . Those AMERICANs in Ryan's group happended to land in the
>AMERICAN sector on D-Day.

>Would have been somewhat strange if the movie had been about a bunch of
>Canadians, landing on the British beaches, then heading off looking for a
>Nepalese Ghurka who had lost his Polish brothers whilst fighting for the
>French, don't you think?

You should've become a script writer Bruce :)
But, you're right. For once :)

Andre

Doug Gordo

Dad was at Spa

by Doug Gordo » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

My comments were strictly pertaining to the 99th Division at Elsenborn
Ridge. I am fully aware of the many other nationalities who fought in the
overall battle. Sorry that my intentions were not more clear and that a
tribute to my father who was wounded in this battle turned into such a
typical R.A.S. flame war.

  Doug




> >It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> >this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> >had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan.
There
> were other's soldiers around.

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

David Butte

Dad was at Spa

by David Butte » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I've seen SPR, and despite the licence taken with some of the events, I
think it's a good film, and worthy of praise, as the main thrust of the
story is the human interest. If the film were being sold as a
"historical account", then that would be different. Eg "The Patriot",
which is so wildly inaccurate that I suspect when it opens in Europe it
may make the furore over "U-571" look very minor. There's an excellent
report on this on The Guardian's site at:

www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4038697,00.html

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Jon Van Ginneke

Dad was at Spa

by Jon Van Ginneke » Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:00:00

From a man who fought in the war...
http://www.mm.com/user/jpk/battle.htm

Jon


> If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities fighting in or
> around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that direction.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian, Polish,
> > French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
> Apologies
> > to any nation who I may have missed out.

> > Cheers

> > Phil



> > > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in WW-II (the
> > > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the Bulge.
> > > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I looked at a
> > > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was surprised when
> > > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me -- Stavelot,
> > > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from Elsenborn. I
> > > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > > his "travels" in 1944-45?

> > > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> > > this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> > > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> > >   Doug Gordon

> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.

Bruce Kennewel

Dad was at Spa

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hey Zonk.....read your history pertaining to that area during WWII,
particularly those items concerning the units which fought in that zone.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> >It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> >this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> >had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> Try renting films other than "hollywood history" Saving Private Ryan.
There
> were other's soldiers around.

> Z.

> Please remove my_pants when replying.

Bruce Kennewel

Dad was at Spa

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:00:00

If you can find any evidence of any of those nationalities fighting in or
around that region ("Spa") in WWII, please point me in that direction.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> You may also like to remember the British, Canadian, Australian, Polish,
> French, Belgian, Dutch and Nepalese soldiers who fought as well.
Apologies
> to any nation who I may have missed out.

> Cheers

> Phil



> > I was recently reading the history of my father's unit in WW-II (the
> > 99th U.S. Infantry Div.) and their part in the Battle of the Bulge.
> > They held a position on Elsenborn Ridge in Belgium. When I looked at a
> > map that showed information on the battle lines, I was surprised when
> > the names of the nearby towns just leaped out at me -- Stavelot,
> > Malmedy, Lingueville. These were just a few miles from Elsenborn. I
> > wonder if he actually went through or near these towns during
> > his "travels" in 1944-45?

> > It's strange to ponder that they were holding international races in
> > this area just a few years after so many American and German soldiers
> > had lost their lives in the fierce fighting of those times...

> >   Doug Gordon

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.


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