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F1 Safety ????

Dave Henri

F1 Safety ????

by Dave Henri » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:54:53

  A marshall injured and now Hakinen flying right through the gravel....he'd
still be sliding if not for the tire wall....how is  it gravel is supposed
to slow a car down?
dave henrie
Regular Race

F1 Safety ????

by Regular Race » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:04:34

Depends upon how it's laid and raked.
Dave Henri

F1 Safety ????

by Dave Henri » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:03:15

  According to Schumacher, the track Marshall at Australia died from
injuries
suffered from the Villenuve accident.  Another sad ending to an exuberant
day.
dave henrie

The Black Cat =^..^

F1 Safety ????

by The Black Cat =^..^ » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:09:18



It won't be long before the media starts to hammer on this.  Those of
us who follow the sport know better, but in the general press, the
coverage will be all about the ***shed, not the race.

On F1-ITV website, Ralf was quoted as saying the worker was hit by a
tire, which begs the question of why, especially after Monza last
year, workers aren't behind some sort of barricade while the race is
in progress...

Paul the Cat  =^..^=

"We've been sleeping all our lives --
At last we can open our eyes."
             -- Carly Simon

Kendt Eklu

F1 Safety ????

by Kendt Eklu » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:17:58



I think the ridging in the gravel was supposed to help, but then
that's what flipped Michael's car in practice, and they might have
smoothed them down a bit (at least it looked that way from the
changing in coloring in all the tinted gravel traps).
They've got to do something about these cornerworker fatalities,
though.  With cornerworkers so close to the action, I don't know if
anyone could have reacted quickly enough to duck behind a barrier for
protection.  Doesn't it take 1/2sec just to react to any type of
emergency?
I don't know what the solution is - flag marshals all in towers (could
the drivers see them)?  A fully electronic on-board warning (what
would be the manual back-up)?  Hell - long flags that would let the
workers stay far enough behind the barriers?

Kendt

Matt Wilso

F1 Safety ????

by Matt Wilso » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:38:17

He was, initial reports would suggest a) the tyre punchured the wire mesh
fence (unlikely) or b) the tyre went under a photographers and track access
point where the fence is raised about a foot.

Terrible, but likely unavoidable, in what must simply be a freakish racing
accident.

Regards,
Matt, Australia





> >  Another sad ending to an exuberant day.

> It won't be long before the media starts to hammer on this.  Those of
> us who follow the sport know better, but in the general press, the
> coverage will be all about the ***shed, not the race.

> On F1-ITV website, Ralf was quoted as saying the worker was hit by a
> tire, which begs the question of why, especially after Monza last
> year, workers aren't behind some sort of barricade while the race is
> in progress...

> Paul the Cat  =^..^=

> "We've been sleeping all our lives --
> At last we can open our eyes."
>              -- Carly Simon

The Black Cat =^..^

F1 Safety ????

by The Black Cat =^..^ » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:49:16



Once is a freakish accident, twice starts to look like a pattern.
What will be most interesting is where the marshal was stationed, and
whether he was hit when Jacques' car got up into the fencing or
further down the track where all the debris was scattered.

In any case, it seemed to me that workers were right next to the
fence, literally leaning on the barricades and that's just not
acceptable in a hard braking zone such as that location where
accidents are common.  If the worker was struck at that location --
and I'm not sure that's the case -- then it's evidence that more space
needs to be maintained between the fence and the workers' stations.

Paul the Cat  =^..^=

"We've been sleeping all our lives --
At last we can open our eyes."
             -- Carly Simon

Dave St.Ong

F1 Safety ????

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:09:15

Yeah....the gravel trap didn't do anything to prevent Hakkinen from sliding
into the tire barrier.  I believe they mentioned that he received a
concussion or something along those lines when he hit the wall....

As for the track worker, my condelences to his family....

Dave


GraDe

F1 Safety ????

by GraDe » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:45:57


Um, friction?
You can't have floating gravel can you, until they come up with something
like this then plain ol' gravel is the best we have...
And it does a damn fine job when called upon in most cases.

Greg Cisk

F1 Safety ????

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:09:39


Yep. So much for F1 Safety.

--


Scott B. Huste

F1 Safety ????

by Scott B. Huste » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:22:58

Perhaps David Fisher will post an expose on how lame and outdated track
safety in F1 is now, but I doubt it.

Prayers for the worker's family and loved ones.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450




> >   According to Schumacher, the track Marshall at Australia died from
> > injuries
> > suffered from the Villenuve accident.  Another sad ending to an
exuberant
> > day.

> Yep. So much for F1 Safety.

> --



Greg Cisk

F1 Safety ????

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:35:42



Ditto.

--


Mike Donnelly J

F1 Safety ????

by Mike Donnelly J » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:33:42

Just a question that begs to be asked, wasn't it F1 that pioneered wheel
tethers?  I'm certain that there will be a few questions why they failed
in this collision.  Then again, if sufficient force is exerted in
snapping a tether, then it's force that isn't being used to send an
object at high speed into a crowd.




> >  Another sad ending to an exuberant day.

> It won't be long before the media starts to hammer on this.  Those of
> us who follow the sport know better, but in the general press, the
> coverage will be all about the ***shed, not the race.

> On F1-ITV website, Ralf was quoted as saying the worker was hit by a
> tire, which begs the question of why, especially after Monza last
> year, workers aren't behind some sort of barricade while the race is
> in progress...

> Paul the Cat  =^..^=

> "We've been sleeping all our lives --
> At last we can open our eyes."
>              -- Carly Simon

Mike Donnelly J

F1 Safety ????

by Mike Donnelly J » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:42:47


> I don't know what the solution is - flag marshals all in towers (could
> the drivers see them)?  A fully electronic on-board warning (what
> would be the manual back-up)?  Hell - long flags that would let the
> workers stay far enough behind the barriers?

NASCAR uses a lighting system all around a race track.  Except for road
courses...  :\  Perhaps this is something that F1 might want to take a look at.
The Black Cat =^..^

F1 Safety ????

by The Black Cat =^..^ » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:48:16

On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:33:42 GMT, Mike Donnelly Jr


>Just a question that begs to be asked, wasn't it F1 that pioneered wheel
>tethers?

According to the announcers, if the bits that the tethers are attached
to are torn off, the tethers do no good.  In a severe enough accident,
NOTHING helps, and clearly this was a bad one.
=^..^=

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