rec.autos.simulators

On Thu, 25 May 2000 08:53:20 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

Just a joke Iain. I said that because almost every post I made that
day you contradicted me. Anyway, don't get me wrong, I quite like F1
2000.

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Nos

You should know I am pursuing this discussion because I find it fun and
not because I would want to get into any disputes. To strike against
something or to strike something, I guess there is the same difference
as we discussed before. The first IMHO again doesn't imply the action of
any party, while the second clearly implies a 'strucker' (good word
BTW).

Where are all those English language graduates when one needs them ;) ?

-Gregor

Good for them!  Alas, I'm not one of them.  Admittedly, on a "lowly"
c300a/450 with V3.  Typically, mirrors reduce my varying framerate of 16-25 by
5 or 6.  That's when there are a few cars around.  The ~16 occurs on most
tracks front straights.  25+ on more remote parts of the track.  Turn mirrors
off when running alone and framerate might go from a 25-30 all the way up past
50.  At anything below 20-25, I sense a delay in reactions.  The start of any
race is an exercise in frustration with the battle to get traction, a bunch of
AI cars nipping at my heals, and the inevitable delays and framerate stalls.  
After that (if I survive), and the first couple of turns,  things are usually
smooth enough.

On Thu, 25 May 2000 11:12:56 +0200, Gregor Veble

Hmm..now your confusing me. :-) Here's how I see it. He collided into
me and I didn't collide into him. Therefore; the *** on the radio
should say, "you were struck by so and so".

English is a bastardized language anyway so I wouldn't pay any
attention to those guys. :-)

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Nos

What works for me is setting the other vehicle detail to low and LOD
distance to medium. If this doesn't look good enough, try the reverse
(other vehicle detail medium and LOD distance low), but this will loose
some frames.

The first variant does allow me to run most other options on at
1024x768, and it is the best compromise IMHO.

Oh, a P3 450 and Voodoo 3 here.

-Gregor

Yes, he collided into you and you didn't collide into him. But you
collided with him and he collided with you as well. And the whole debate
starts all over again :-).

-Gregor

Have you tried turning other options off besides the mirrors. I have a
P3 500 which isn't much more than yours and I was able to get a decent
frame rate by tunring other options off. I'll even run at 640x480 if
it will allow me to keep the low detail mirrors on. I only allow 8
cars at a time to be rendered also. I admit it is a bit slow at the
start, but once it thins out it is very playable for me.
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Nos

On Thu, 25 May 2000 13:51:57 +0200, Gregor Veble

This is where we are having a bit of trouble. I never collided with
him. He collided into me - probably deliberately too. SCGT is by the
same developers and in that game  the AI cars will sometimes
deliberately try to run you off the road when you try to pass them.
This is supposed to be a gentleman's sport and not wrestling on
wheels.

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Nos

Hopefully I'll be in *that* boat soon myself.  Looking at either 650 or
700 mhz PIII as well as V5 by end of summer.  But my 466/V3 3000 needs
the help of shutting down mirrors.  I just think that *those that do
complain* of ramming by the AI, may need to consider whether they are in
the same boat as myself, thereby possibly complicating matters for
themselves by cutting off the AI.  Since you neither have an AI ramming
problem, nor need to shut down your mirrors, you kind of help make my
case for me in reverse.  ;-)

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Chuck Kandler  #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Your freedom's just a state of mind.   --Gene Simmons  
From the song "War Machine", 1982

Perhaps you should watch more F1 races and pay special attention
to Michael Schumacher. Especially when he trys to take people out
deliberately. There was JV a few years ago where he was stripped
of all championship points for the entire year after the last race. And
then a few weeks ago against his brother.

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Aww, this is getting tiring :).

Anyway, back to the topic, the AI are a bit overagressive, I agree,
especially for openwheelers. BTW, did you read Fisichela had quite a
flying today at testing in Valencia, I think, with his Benetton touching
Trulli's wheels. This is one reason why openwheelers will be slightly
less agressive than what is depicted in the sim. But if you take the
corners fast enough and, when side by side, you also try to prevent an
accident rather than try to fight for position at all costs, you will
not collide as often (actually, the AI won't collide into you :) ). This
does not apply to immediate starts, of course, when there are too many
cars around for the AI to handle, it seems.

-Gregor

This is my hero you're talking about here, Greg!  The JV incident yes, but
the Ralf one was not an attempt to take him out, just block him so that RB
could get through.  It was a superb piece of driving and perfectly fair.
Iain

I won't comment on the JV incident, but come on, the "brotherly
love"-move at Barcelona was beautiful, rather ingenious IMHO. That's
racing. :)

/Magnus

Ser arr too many non-natif English speakink peeple arround, satt's
why...

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On Thu, 25 May 2000 15:01:10 +0200, Gregor Veble

Yes, I think we've done at least three complete circles on this issue.
:-)

No, haven't read the news today.  I'll look for it though.

Well, I'll try not to let them collide into me so often. :-)
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Nos