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Please give details about F12000 patch!!

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Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 07:36:08 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

Maybe. But, I doubt it. I rarely get rammed from behind in other sims.
In F1 2000 in happens far too often. Radio says "you collided with so
and so" when I did no such thing.
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Nos

No

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 00:19:44 -0700, Robert Allen

Then try this if you think that's true. Turn on point brake help and
you will find you rarely have to touch the brakes. You still get
rammed from behind.
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Nos

Iain Mackenzi

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by Iain Mackenzi » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

Happens a lot in GPL and MGPRS2 if you brake too early - that's close racing
for you!
The message you mention is correct, you did collide with .... if you got
rammed.
Iain


> On Wed, 24 May 2000 07:36:08 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >It doesn't necessarily need to be 'fixed'.  In a real race, if the guy in
> >front brakes too hard (or misses a gear), then he's going to be rammed by
> >the car behind.
> >I think you'll find that if you are driving well (in any racing sim) you
> >won't have this problem.
> >Iain

> Maybe. But, I doubt it. I rarely get rammed from behind in other sims.
> In F1 2000 in happens far too often. Radio says "you collided with so
> and so" when I did no such thing.
> --
> Nos

No

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:35:34 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

You're just full of contradictions today. :-)
I have played F1RS/MGPRS2 and GPL and I don't get rammed in the back
anywhere near as much as in F1 2000. It needs to be toned down. You
can't judge distance on a montitor like you can in real life so
concessions must be made.

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Nos

Gregor Vebl

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by Gregor Vebl » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


> Maybe. But, I doubt it. I rarely get rammed from behind in other sims.
> In F1 2000 in happens far too often. Radio says "you collided with so
> and so" when I did no such thing.
> --
> Nos

I'm not a native speaker, but isn't that the correct way to put it? I
mean, you did collide with the guy that rammed you, and he collided with
you as well, didn't he? It would be different if the radio guy said 'you
hit such and such', but to collide with someone in my opinion means
getting into contact with someone and does not imply any action on
behalf of the parties for this to happen.

-Gregor

No

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 15:57:09 +0200, Gregor Veble

Collide means to hit something. If he says "I" collided with so and so
then it's the same as saying I hit/crashed into so and so. The driver
rammed me from behind so therefore I never actually collided with
anything. If he said I was involved in a collision then I guess it is
semantically correct. But, it would'nt hold up in a court of law
because if you are rammed from behind then the rammer is *always* at
fault. :-)

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Nos

Gregor Vebl

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by Gregor Vebl » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


> Collide means to hit something. If he says "I" collided with so and so
> then it's the same as saying I hit/crashed into so and so. The driver
> rammed me from behind so therefore I never actually collided with
> anything. If he said I was involved in a collision then I guess it is
> semantically correct. But, it would'nt hold up in a court of law
> because if you are rammed from behind then the rammer is *always* at
> fault. :-)

> --
> Nos

I still can't say I agree. I think saying that one car collided with
another does not imply which car was responsible for the collision. I
will need to look in a dictionary though.

-Gregor

Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 16:51:53 +0200, Gregor Veble


>I still can't say I agree. I think saying that one car collided with
>another does not imply which car was responsible for the collision. I
>will need to look in a dictionary though.

No need for that: Bruce, help!

Andre

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Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 24 May 2000 16:51:53 +0200, Gregor Veble

Here's what it says in Websters online.

Collide \Col*lide"\, v. t. To strike or dash against

I never struck or dashed against anything. I was struck by the car
behind me. I'm the struckee, not the strucker. Anyway, it's not a big
deal. I'll just have to learn to take those corners faster.
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Nos

Chuck Kandle

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by Chuck Kandle » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


> On Wed, 24 May 2000 07:36:08 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >It doesn't necessarily need to be 'fixed'.  In a real race, if the guy in
> >front brakes too hard (or misses a gear), then he's going to be rammed by
> >the car behind.
> >I think you'll find that if you are driving well (in any racing sim) you
> >won't have this problem.
> >Iain

> Maybe. But, I doubt it. I rarely get rammed from behind in other sims.
> In F1 2000 in happens far too often. Radio says "you collided with so
> and so" when I did no such thing.
> --
> Nos

Something else we need to keep in mind too.  In most other sims, we can
use our mirror without the framerate hit.  So some of us are also more
unaware of whats going on behind us too.  Only makes the situation
worse.  But all in all, the AI have certainly improved.

--
Chuck Kandler  #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Your freedom's just a state of mind.   --Gene Simmons  
From the song "War Machine", 1982

Chuck Kandle

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by Chuck Kandle » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


> You're right Pat, I turned the centering on and set it to 60%, ff is a
> l-o-t better now. No GPL and Viper quality, but quite good.
> Thanks!

Well damn!  I've got the same wheel as you, but the centering spring set
at 55% did *nothing* here.  Maybe I'll try turning it up some more when
I get home from work.....  :-/

--
Chuck Kandler  #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Your freedom's just a state of mind.   --Gene Simmons  
From the song "War Machine", 1982

Chuck Kandle

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by Chuck Kandle » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


> Collide means to hit something. If he says "I" collided with so and so
> then it's the same as saying I hit/crashed into so and so. The driver
> rammed me from behind so therefore I never actually collided with
> anything. If he said I was involved in a collision then I guess it is
> semantically correct. But, it would'nt hold up in a court of law
> because if you are rammed from behind then the rammer is *always* at
> fault. :-)

Hehehe.....I don't think he's accusing you, just informing you that you
were just involved in a "collision".  So therefore, you "collided" with
so-and-so.  ;-)

--
Chuck Kandler  #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Your freedom's just a state of mind.   --Gene Simmons  
From the song "War Machine", 1982

No

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by No » Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:00


thus spoke:

I guess so. But, the judge won't buy his story. :-)

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Nos

Iain Mackenzi

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by Iain Mackenzi » Fri, 26 May 2000 04:00:00

Don't have a clue what you mean by 'full of contradictions'!
Doesn't happen with me in F12K any more than GPL or MGPRS2. That's all I'm
saying.
Iain


> On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:35:34 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >Happens a lot in GPL and MGPRS2 if you brake too early - that's close
racing
> >for you!
> >The message you mention is correct, you did collide with .... if you got
> >rammed.
> >Iain

> You're just full of contradictions today. :-)
> I have played F1RS/MGPRS2 and GPL and I don't get rammed in the back
> anywhere near as much as in F1 2000. It needs to be toned down. You
> can't judge distance on a montitor like you can in real life so
> concessions must be made.

> --
> Nos

Iain Mackenzi

Please give details about F12000 patch!!

by Iain Mackenzi » Fri, 26 May 2000 04:00:00

Ho, ho , ho!
Very amusing, but some of us have no problem with frame rate and mirrors
even at 1024.
Iain

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