....
And other drivers don't do stupid things on the track, right? Drivers
of <greater> talent who make mistakes are somehow excused because they
are not female or black?
I simply don't understand what the problem is. Ray Evernham and Bill
Davis have chosen Crocker and Lester as the drivers of their
cars/trucks. Both have past experience as race drivers. They obviously
have some level of talent, otherwise they wouldn't have even been in
the running for a shot at the seat. That they happen to be a woman and
African American shouldn't even be an issue. If they were selected off
the street with no prior racing experience solely because of their
gender or race, then you have an argument. Drivers of race cars are
selected for many reasons other than their talent or experience. Going
back to the "Driver X" tv show for a moment, they had a segment in
which they each had to do a post race celebration/interview from
victory lane. Several of the "good" drivers were given poor marks due
to their speaking ability and marketing potential. Factors such as this
ARE part of the decisions in choosing a driver.
"Who" are these minorites/women that you refer to that have "a lot more
experience"? Assuming that was true, did they WANT the rides that were
available at Evernham or BDR?
I am somewhat surprised that the claim that Lewis Hamilton is getting
an F1 shot over Sebastian Bordais hasn't been mentioned. It's GOT to be
the F1 diversity program in effect!
Crocker at least has some oval experience, but Lister didn't do
anything remotely comparable to busch or cts prior to landing a ride.
There's no way a white man with Lister's resume would be considered for
a full-time Cup ride next year. Typically if you're white and male,
you have to actually win something before reaching that level.
> It has nothing to do with their race or gender, and everything to do
> with them not being good drivers. I cringe when I see other bad
> drivers wreck each other or drive around way off the pace, but it
> bothers me more when it happens to those 2 because I know the
> inevitable "omg nascar shouldn't have women or blacks" outcry is going
> to follow.
> Crocker at least has some oval experience, but Lister didn't do
> anything remotely comparable to busch or cts prior to landing a ride.
> There's no way a white man with Lister's resume would be considered for
> a full-time Cup ride next year. Typically if you're white and male,
> you have to actually win something before reaching that level.
It's a fact....every series (even sim leagues) has a certain percentage
of drivers who don't cut it. There are outstanding drivers, good
drivers, poor drivers and the slow. I'd prefer to see a slow driver
over a poor driver anyday. But being at the back of the field doesn't
mean they don't belong.
Montoya had no stock car experience prior to the last 3 months. Sure,
there was a prior relationship with Ganassi, but why would he assume
that JPM would quickly adapt to the series? Yet, he got a Cup deal and
not an IRL or CART ride (whichever Ganassi runs).
Or David Gilliland? A single BGN wins somehow elevated him to Cup
status when Sadler left the Yates team? Isn't he white and male? There
were NO other drivers that were better qualified than HIM?
Oh wait, I forgot Archie's "nepotism" clause. David must have
benefitted from Butch's seriously successful CTS/BGN career. Or the
obvious "Dad's Winston West titles translates to Son's ability to drive
Cup cars" transformation.
I am no expert on Bill Lester, but being somewhat successful in sports
cars/trans am shows me a level of car control. Let's also not forget
the lower talent level in the CTS/BGN series drivers. (Don't take that
the wrong way, they'd wipe the floor with me, but compared to the Cup
series). Crocker and Lester are unlikely to be top level Cup drivers
(assuming that is their goal) but might be good fits for the other
series. As an owner running teams in all 3, wouldn't it be the goal to
win often in all 3 series? If Evernham or Bill Davis felt that those
were the best fit, who are we to complain otherwise?
Of course my name is Mitch, I have nothing to hide from unlike someone that
calls herself "Lawman" LOL....
BTW ..|.. u ***
10-4 Over and out....
> Enjoy the weekend, Archie!
Your self described *union owned* "Brotherhood" is as much of an enemy to
the avg American citizen as the MI3 ***er on the other side because
were stuck in the middle. Your Brotherhood shoots first and asks second all
in the name of public safety. What a fn joke your "Brotherhood" PC_Morphed
into.. We all know the deal, you drive like a maniac and if/when you get
pulled over you flash the badge and drive off, or you cover for your
Brothers ass at any cost, pure bullshit right out of the para-militay.
Brotherhood or MAFIA, thats the real question.... To you/media its a
*Brotherhood* to the rest of us its Big Bothers Mafia. Maybe you all need
to include the public into your brotherhood instead of treating US all as
the enemy. Hitler had a "Brotherhood" too and it was called the SS....
Police Officers should be held to a HIGHER standard but if you are a cop we
can all see that the standard is down around a slugs *** and the PUBLIC
must suffer for it silently.
Mitch
> I can understand your point, but honestly, I have NEVER heard such
> comments, at least publicly. If they were public, it would be huge
> news. So, either those people who think such things are keeping it
> quiet or it's not as prevalent as you think. Fan opinions are one
> thing, owner and other driver opinions are whole different thing.
> Your self described *union owned* "Brotherhood" is as much of an enemy to
> the avg American citizen as the MI3 ***er on the other side because
> were stuck in the middle. Your Brotherhood shoots first and asks second all
> in the name of public safety. What a fn joke your "Brotherhood" PC_Morphed
> into.. We all know the deal, you drive like a maniac and if/when you get
> pulled over you flash the badge and drive off, or you cover for your
> Brothers ass at any cost, pure bullshit right out of the para-militay.
> Brotherhood or MAFIA, thats the real question.... To you/media its a
> *Brotherhood* to the rest of us its Big Bothers Mafia. Maybe you all need
> to include the public into your brotherhood instead of treating US all as
> the enemy. Hitler had a "Brotherhood" too and it was called the SS....
> Police Officers should be held to a HIGHER standard but if you are a cop we
> can all see that the standard is down around a slugs *** and the PUBLIC
> must suffer for it silently.
> Mitch
It sure seemed like a reasonable debate for awhile, but I guess that
supply of meds ran out during the weekend. Archie, I sure hope that
your caretaker/guardian is paying close enough attention to you,
because I really think that you might harm yourself during another
irrational rant as posted above. Take some deep breaths and calm down
before you have to have a timeout.
It's from Champcarfanatics.com
> Mitch
There should be a bullet-point in every sponser contract that says:
"This is OUR series. You have no say in how we run it".
Never happen though.
-Larry
Me neither!
> Of course my name is Mitch, I have nothing to hide from unlike someone that
> calls herself "Lawman" LOL....
> BTW ..|.. u ***
> 10-4 Over and out....
> > Enjoy the weekend, Archie!
