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Nascar ratings down

Mitch_

Nascar ratings down

by Mitch_ » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:33:09

Nascar ratings down in 2006.

I'm not really surprised.  Brian France has pretty much alienated all the
die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it
into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the
day.

I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described
wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for
years on end because he has a purty smile on TV.

The chase SUCKS!  The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each
race.  Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any
part of any race.  I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over
to let a chaser go by.  That aint racin.

Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.

I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a
wreck.  Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion.

And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials.
Literally more commercials than racing.  Then come back from commercial for
yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad.   How many tracks
the past couple years have broken their long held caution records?

Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept..

Mitch

jason moye

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by jason moye » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:01:55

I agree with most of that, altho I really have no problem with JPM in a
cup car or with Toyota joining the series.  It's good to see a
manufacturer in NASCAR who actually builds cars in the United States.
timmy thompso

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by timmy thompso » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:08:50

racist pig

> Nascar ratings down in 2006.

> I'm not really surprised.  Brian France has pretty much alienated all the
> die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it
> into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the
> day.

> I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described
> wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for
> years on end because he has a purty smile on TV.

> The chase SUCKS!  The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each
> race.  Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any
> part of any race.  I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over
> to let a chaser go by.  That aint racin.

> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.

> I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a
> wreck.  Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion.

> And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials.
> Literally more commercials than racing.  Then come back from commercial for
> yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad.   How many tracks
> the past couple years have broken their long held caution records?

> Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept..

> Mitch

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:52:04

My only problem is he's only here to cash in on the Nascar money-train.  I'd
be curious to know how he felt inside about Nascar in the past.  With the
prevailing F1 elitism I could hazard a guess but thats all it'd be :)    For
some reason the term "redneck" comes to mind but I could be way off, hehe..

Mitch


Mitch_

Nascar ratings down

by Mitch_ » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:04:50

Just for you Freddy.

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raam..

Nascar ratings down

by raam.. » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:32:36


> Nascar ratings down in 2006.

> I'm not really surprised.  Brian France has pretty much alienated all the
> die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it
> into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the
> day.

> I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described
> wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for
> years on end because he has a purty smile on TV.

> The chase SUCKS!  The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each
> race.  Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any
> part of any race.  I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over
> to let a chaser go by.  That aint racin.

> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.

> I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a
> wreck.  Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion.

> And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials.
> Literally more commercials than racing.  Then come back from commercial for
> yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad.   How many tracks
> the past couple years have broken their long held caution records?

> Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept..

> Mitch

didn't nbc say they were droping nascar from next year ? the whole
presentation is just slicked down to entertain an 8 year old it seems,
in my opinion. then you have speed, which is only conspiring to be the
nascar only channel, to innundate us with endless pre and post race
dribble-- honestly, if you see all the meandering reports they
broadcast you can see they are just striving to fill up all the alloted
broadcast time, and are having a hard time doing it, meanwhile real
motor vehicle racing of any type- the presumed subject of the speed
network- goes unaired. I honestly don't understand the popularity of
nascar in the states, surely it is not the racing, as you would expect
them to be race fans and yet they are not- they are nascar fans- so it
is the marketing to trailer park trash types- for which one must
congratulate the nascar marketeers on a fine sales job at the expense
of motor vehicle racing.
Daru

Nascar ratings down

by Daru » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:33:00


> Nascar ratings down in 2006.
> .
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>.
> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.
> .
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>.
> .
> Mitch

Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!!

Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African
American....hmmmm.

Xenophobia or just pure racism?

Daru

Nascar ratings down

by Daru » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:41:57


> didn't nbc say they were droping nascar from next year ? the whole
> presentation is just slicked down to entertain an 8 year old it seems,
> in my opinion. then you have speed, which is only conspiring to be the
> nascar only channel, to innundate us with endless pre and post race
> dribble-- honestly, if you see all the meandering reports they
> broadcast you can see they are just striving to fill up all the alloted
> broadcast time, and are having a hard time doing it, meanwhile real
> motor vehicle racing of any type- the presumed subject of the speed
> network- goes unaired. I honestly don't understand the popularity of
> nascar in the states, surely it is not the racing, as you would expect
> them to be race fans and yet they are not- they are nascar fans- so it
> is the marketing to trailer park trash types- for which one must
> congratulate the nascar marketeers on a fine sales job at the expense
> of motor vehicle racing.

What series are they not airing at the expense of NASCAR? WRC, F1,
SPEED World Challenge & MotoGP are a few of the other series I have
seen myself or ads for.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of the SPEEDTV  NASCAR lineup that I
would ditch, and I LIKE the Nextel Cup series. But to say that they are
omitting something else that they have a license to air seems
preposterous. Look, a lot of it comes down to who pays the bills. It's
a business, first and foremost and when it comes down to deciding
whether more ppl. will watch a NASCAR based show or boat racing, it's
kind of a no brainer. Sure, the boat racing fans (or any other genre of
racing that has a tiny TV audience) get pissed, but they are so in the
minority that catering to them is a recipe for financial ruin.

Bernard Spilma

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by Bernard Spilma » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:41:04

Nascar sucks, damn Demmycrats control Congress, if your sister
cuts you off its gonna be a really bad year for you down in the trailer
park, ain't it?
WS


Zed

Nascar ratings down

by Zed » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:13:51


> Nascar ratings down in 2006.

> I'm not really surprised.  Brian France has pretty much alienated all the
> die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it
> into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the
> day.

> And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials.
> Literally more commercials than racing.  Then come back from commercial for
> yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad.   How many tracks
> the past couple years have broken their long held caution records?

> Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept..

> Mitch

I remember finding a web site that actually kept track of race time and
commercial time. If I recall correctly, it was about 1/3 commercial and
2/3 racing. So that's about 20 minutes per hour for commercials.
I'll try to find that web site again. I think it was for a charity of
some sort.
KingsHea

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by KingsHea » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:31:02


Go have another dry martini & a cigar. or a beer & a cigarette. when was the
last time you read about a *** overdose ? or drowning in their own
vomit (smoke ?). *** has a "gateway drug" ? What a joke, like ***
does not exist or is not a drug ?  I suppose being "mildly" drunk decreases
the risk of a fatal accident while driving ? Or if you are drunk you just
have a risk of a "accident". A recently published extensive study found no
harmful effects of smoking *** even though they stated that it was
their intent to find harmful effects before starting the study.

Mitch_

Nascar ratings down

by Mitch_ » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:55:41

I knew some tards here like Bernie and Freddy would show a total lack of
common sense as is so typical of a stoned schoolgirl but Im somewhat
surprised to see you Darus jump through Pavlov's hoops so easily.  Id
assumed you had a bit more sense but as always I could be wrong.

Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple.  If he
got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a
fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save
his life).  Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar.
It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem.  The
Danica syndrome is alive and well.

Mitch



>> Nascar ratings down in 2006.
>> .
> .
>>.
>> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
>> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.
>> .
> .
>>.
>> .
>> Mitch

> Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!!

> Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African
> American....hmmmm.

> Xenophobia or just pure racism?

Daru

Nascar ratings down

by Daru » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:03:18


The fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and
not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the
use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't
overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the
points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning
Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but
heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
championship.

I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill
Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from
Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his
race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him
AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based
on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept.

timmy thompso

Nascar ratings down

by timmy thompso » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:12:50

Funny how Mitch didnt mention Sam Hornish, Jr, who has crashed out of
every race, but it doesnt bother mitch since he has WHITE skin.

> I knew some tards here like Bernie and Freddy would show a total lack of
> common sense as is so typical of a stoned schoolgirl but Im somewhat
> surprised to see you Darus jump through Pavlov's hoops so easily.  Id
> assumed you had a bit more sense but as always I could be wrong.

> Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple.  If he
> got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a
> fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save
> his life).  Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar.
> It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem.  The
> Danica syndrome is alive and well.

> Mitch




>>> Nascar ratings down in 2006.
>>> .
>> .
>>> .
>>> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester....  None of which belong
>>> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle.
>>> .
>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> Mitch
>> Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!!

>> Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African
>> American....hmmmm.

>> Xenophobia or just pure racism?

Mr. Sylvestr

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by Mr. Sylvestr » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:47:54

And what about the Toyota ?

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