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by **Mitch_** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:48:53

I guess you missed the "nepotism" bit in the other thread :) I can't prove
anything but I can connect the dots better than most Lawmen :) Nascar has
publicly stated they WANT more diversity (just saying that is racism in its
purest form) and voila out pops Bill and Erin. Based on this evidence I can
make a claim with more substance than your claim against... I could be
wrong and Im not denying that but if it quacks like a duck.....

YOURE A RACIST.. This is the same leftwing politically correct pavlovian
bullshit response that they use EVERYTIME anyone visits affirmative action
and it's blatant extreme racism. What you are shouldnt matter in any way
shape or form. The government should do away with all race based questions.
It shouldnt matter, plain and simple. The lefty activists demand this form
of racism for the simple fact if there wasnt a wedge tool they wouldnt be
able to ride the gravy train, ala Al Sharpton..

I got a speeding ticket a few weeks back from a <5'0' girl and all I kept
thinking was how easy it would be for me to take her weapon and shoot her in
the head (not that I should have to qualify this but obviously I wouldnt)..
As she was writing the ticket I saw no less than 3 other cruisers in the
close proximity. While it may have been sheer coincidence I come to the
conclusion she was actually incapable of defending herself and required
constant backup just in case.... Political correctness at the expense of
public safety is one of the many reasons America will be joining the roman
empire sooner rather than later. Ignorance is bliss.

My daughter is half Mexican, my best friends are Mexican my step dad is
Mexican. Because Im against illegal immigration in its current form that
somehow translates (to the feeble mind) that I dont like Mexicans? Thats
just dumb.

Mitch

> The fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and
> not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the
> use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't
> overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the
> points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning
> Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but
> heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
> championship.

> I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill
> Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from
> Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his
> race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him
> AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based
> on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept.

by **George Adam** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:46:03

> > ...
> > Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple. If he
> > got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a
> > fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save
> > his life). Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar.
> > It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem. The
> > Danica syndrome is alive and well.

> > MitchThe fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and
> not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the
> use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't
> overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the
> points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning
> Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but
> heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
> championship.

> I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill
> Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from
> Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his
> race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him
> AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based
> on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept.

Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X
participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns".

by **jason moye** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:46:19

> My only problem is he's only here to cash in on the Nascar money-train. I'd
> be curious to know how he felt inside about Nascar in the past. With the
> prevailing F1 elitism I could hazard a guess but thats all it'd be :) For
> some reason the term "redneck" comes to mind but I could be way off, hehe..

Maybe. He did seem genuinely impressed when he and Gordon swapped cars
for that publicity thing a few years ago, and he does have American
oval racing experience. I see your point, I'm just not sure what I
think of it. He definitely seems to be enjoying his first real taste
of competitive stock car racing.

by **jason moye** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:49:40

> He's not likely to win any championships, but
> heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
> championship.

Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.

by **Mitch_** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:24:56

Todd just won the Truck series and the other works for Nascar.

Mitch

>> He's not likely to win any championships, but
>> heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
>> championship.

> Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.

by **Daru** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:29:37

> Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X
> participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns".

OK......Here's as many of the names I recall from the tv show:

BGN Series

Kluever (year before this, but point is same) 1 pole, 0 Top 5, 4 Top
10, 17th in points
O'Quinn: 0 poles, 1 Top 5, 5 Top 10 19th in Points
Vidovich: 0,0,0,0 33rd in points

CTS Series:

Darnell (the lone bright spot) 1 pole, 4 Top 5, 12 Top 10 12th in
points, highest finishing rookie
Ragan: 1, 0, 1, 8, 24th in points

What is it I am looking at?

by **Daru** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:54:14

> I guess you missed the "nepotism" bit in the other thread :) I can't prove
> anything but I can connect the dots better than most Lawmen :) Nascar has
> publicly stated they WANT more diversity (just saying that is racism in its
> purest form) and voila out pops Bill and Erin. Based on this evidence I can
> make a claim with more substance than your claim against... I could be
> wrong and Im not denying that but if it quacks like a duck.....

Okay, so NASCAR "wants" something. Did all the team owners drop
everything and hire minorities by dozen? No. In fact, aside from
Lester, I can't recall another minority getting hired. There may have
been, but it wasn't a frenzy that you seem to think is happening.
Again, I ask.....WHO did NOT get a ride specifically because BL did?

I did recall the nepotism bit...after I posted. :-(

Wow....where to begin?

1. I doubt anyone under 5' got hired. But let's assume for a moment she
was. I know here, we are required to pull a 200lb. dead weight dummy 25
yards as part of a pre-hire physical ability test. I imagine most other
states have a similar drill. So, if our diminutive officer here was
able to perform something similar, I would her physical strength is
greater than you give credit for.
2. You have no idea how to remove a pistol from a holster, nevermind
doing while someone else is wearing the belt. This ain't the Wild West
where it's lashed to your leg with a piece of leather.
3. I routinely back up other officers, of all sizes, regardless of the
nature of the call reported. It's common sense. One NEVER knows when a
"routine" call (no such thing) can go bad. I know that when the moment
arises, I am going to have the world crashing down on anyone who might
try to harm me. It's part of the brotherhood and we all do it.
4. So, you <seem> to be indicating now that the PC-ness (a female
officer?) of public safety is an issue. And yet you expect ANYONE to
think you DON'T wear a costume made from a sheet?

You said that, no one else. But as I recall from earlier...."if it
quacks like a duck...."

:-)

by **Daru** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:00:57

> > He's not likely to win any championships, but
> > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
> > championship.

> Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.

He was competitive for certain, but 2 career season point finishes in
the Top 5 is not a "top driver". I followed him very briefly when I
first got into NASCAR, primarily to annoy my wife and father in law.

His title this year goes to show that there is a level for everyone.
Heck, even Johnny Benson awoke from the dead and made an appearance in
the championship picture.

by **George Adam** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:55:57

> > Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X
> > participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns".OK......Here's as many of the names I recall from the tv show:

> BGN Series

> Kluever (year before this, but point is same) 1 pole, 0 Top 5, 4 Top
> 10, 17th in points
> O'Quinn: 0 poles, 1 Top 5, 5 Top 10 19th in Points
> Vidovich: 0,0,0,0 33rd in points

> CTS Series:

> Darnell (the lone bright spot) 1 pole, 4 Top 5, 12 Top 10 12th in
> points, highest finishing rookie
> Ragan: 1, 0, 1, 8, 24th in points

> What is it I am looking at?

O'Quinn won Rookie of the Year in BGN. And what' s so bad about
finishing 19th in his first full year?

by **George Adam** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:05:32

> > > He's not likely to win any championships, but
> > > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a
> > > championship.

> > Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.He was competitive for certain, but 2 career season point finishes in
> the Top 5 is not a "top driver". I followed him very briefly when I
> first got into NASCAR, primarily to annoy my wife and father in law.

> His title this year goes to show that there is a level for everyone.
> Heck, even Johnny Benson awoke from the dead and made an appearance in
> the championship picture.

The reference was to Geoff Bodine. Listed as one of the top 10 modified
drivers in history (holds the record for wins in a single season), also
listed a one of the 50 greatest Winston Cup drivers.

18 wins, 190 top tens, 37 poles. Not too shabby in my book. Saw him
race modifieds many times here in the Northeast, and he was very
impressive.

by **raam..** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:41:19

> What series are they not airing at the expense of NASCAR? WRC, F1,
> SPEED World Challenge & MotoGP are a few of the other series I have
> seen myself or ads for.

> Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of the SPEEDTV NASCAR lineup that I
> would ditch, and I LIKE the Nextel Cup series. But to say that they are
> omitting something else that they have a license to air seems
> preposterous. Look, a lot of it comes down to who pays the bills. It's
> a business, first and foremost and when it comes down to deciding
> whether more ppl. will watch a NASCAR based show or boat racing, it's
> kind of a no brainer. Sure, the boat racing fans (or any other genre of
> racing that has a tiny TV audience) get pissed, but they are so in the
> minority that catering to them is a recipe for financial ruin.

you seen ads for wrc ? 3 years ago was the last wrc coverage. DTM ?
last year. SBK race 1 and race 2- did they show the entire series this
year ? I understand your point about paying the bills etc. but I am
unhappy with the way speed has deteriorated their programing to become
a nascar channel on top of which all the meandering reality based tv
shows they have, they're just foolish in my opinion. the problem is
that if they don't show any of the other types of racing they will
never develop an audience. it's like why soccer is popular television
everywhere except north america. and why nhl isn't popular in africa or
arabia...(he-he-he...). obviously the organizers of these european,
world based motorsports need to help cultivate an audience in north
america, lowering licencing fee for rebroadcast etc.. I guess the
solution that would fit best for me would be speed branch off a nascar
channel which I can choose not to sign up on, and return to the type of
programing they had when I added speed to my cable programing.

by **Mitch_** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:45:13

Do you understand the concept of "survival of the fittest"? At this point
in time in the USA SotF is nearly entirely hidden from view (you likely see
this more than the avg citizen). That may not be the case in the future.
When Im in a foxhole with life on the line I don't want the person next to
me to be relying on emotion for survival. Woman are emotional creatures
despite the training, its natural and not a fault. Its just the reality of
life on Earth. Men have evolved the ability to compartmentalize under
duress instead of falling victim to the biggest killer on a battlefield,
emotion. Mother nature makes the *REAL* rules not some PC'd
politician/bureaucrat scrounging for votes.

Anyway....

She may have been a bit taller but from my vantage point she was puny. She
was in shape and may have lasted a few seconds but my point persists. Just
ask that Grandmother in the Ohio courthouse. Oh, you cant because the perp
took her weapon out of her holster, shot her and others, IIRC killing them.
You can't truthfully argue against the bitter reality here no matter how PC
you try to be in the process.

What really bothered me was this ***'s horrible 'tude (I honestly think
she was TRYING to be a man) which she was carrying like a battery on her
shoulder. In a different time she would have NO chance. Don't let reality
get in the way of your PC-ness though :)

I'd place my bet on the Airborne Infantryman getting a weapon out of a
holster faster than a girl can pull out her gun anyday :-)

(no liberal will ever understand the humor so if you are dont bother trying)

There ya go with the sheet ***again. Is that all your type is capable of
in response when the truth/reality hurts? The truth is I treat everyone
equally bad regardless of color/gender, hehe... Its when political
correctness threatens the very foundation of America that I have big issues.

BTW I am a Katherine Legge fan. She won some races and is very competitive.
A RACER. She struggled this year but I think it was because of the series
change and I expect more this coming year from her. Danica on the other
hand is a pretty face with marginal racing skills. That may change but Id
assumed she was in good equipment this year. Driving a racecar is not hand
to hand combat by any stretch of the imagination though, despite hollywoods
version.

Mitch

by **Daru** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:40:42

....

............

While I can say that I do not recall the incident you refer to at the
Ohio courthouse (of course I will check it out however), the fact is
exceptions DO happen. However, how often does one read that a police
officer is killed by their own weapon? Answer?: Hardly ever. Ambushes
are high on the list. I'll see if I can print out the list at work
today. Reason for the answer?: Training.

Back to our example officer here. You're aware that simply being
smaller is size is a perfectly valid reason to shoot to stop in a
confrontation as you described? Whereas I have to be far more "in fear"
of death or serious injury, a smaller (and/or female) officer gets much
greater freedom when it comes to describing the reason she double
tapped you.

Back to the original topic...

It's obvious <you're> the one with the problem. Heck, you admitted as
much, which is far more proof in my favor than you have for your
alleged Bill Lester/AA claim. Perhaps "Mitch" isn't your real name. I
propose that we call you "Archie" from now on.

I have become quite tolerant (as a result of my job) of people with far
differing attitudes and perceptions of life. If you want to hate all
non-white, female, ***, foreign or any otherwise different (from
you) group of people, go right ahead. Here in the good ole U S of A, we
allow that. It's what makes this a great place. Of course, I can think
that you are a delusional, crackpot racist as well.

Enjoy the weekend, Archie!

by **Daru** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:50:09

> The reference was to Geoff Bodine. Listed as one of the top 10 modified
> drivers in history (holds the record for wins in a single season), also
> listed a one of the 50 greatest Winston Cup drivers.

> 18 wins, 190 top tens, 37 poles. Not too shabby in my book. Saw him
> race modifieds many times here in the Northeast, and he was very
> impressive.

Modifieds, while they fall under the purview of "NASCAR", is not stock
car racing. As in Winston/Nextel Cup. So, putting his illustrious
modified career aside, (it is very good, I can't deny that) what are we
left with?

18 wins?

Hmmmm..lemme see...Jeff Burton has 18 wins. Ernie Irvan had 15 wins.
Hell, Kurt Busch has 15 wins AND A CHAMPIONSHIP! That must make him one
of the 50 greatest drivers of all time as well.

by **jason moye** » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:15:13

> 3. I routinely back up other officers, of all sizes, regardless of the
> nature of the call reported. It's common sense. One NEVER knows when a
> "routine" call (no such thing) can go bad. I know that when the moment
> arises, I am going to have the world crashing down on anyone who might
> try to harm me. It's part of the brotherhood and we all do it.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a single police car do anything
unless it was responding to a crime that had already occurred. Pretty
much anytime a crime is in progress there will be 2 or more cruisers
involved.

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