rec.autos.simulators

You are right Mike, but I don't think the arms give you any more useful
information than the wear of your pot. I used to race with arms and wheel on
for half a year - but turning them off was like a breakthrough for me.
Suddenly I could stay immersed, feel what the car was doing, keep my
determination and focus even through a race distance. Although it may come
down to personal preferences, IMO it makes a big difference for the
experienced GPL driver not to be distracted by strange on-screen movement of
even more strange polygon arms. However, I think it's fine that they are in
the sim, and would be happy if they follow a similar approach in N4, means:
make a fully 3D animated***pit, with optional arms and wheel (maybe even
more customization options).

Alex

I fully intend to let him experiment more with GPL and N3, in hopes
that he'll soon learn enough to make some real contributions to my
setups.

Absolutely. If a big rig lorry can lock its breaks, a stock car
certainly can. And I've seen them lock their wheels, albeit not as
much as F1 - but then, I don't watch as much Nascar as F1, so I'm not
in the best position to judge.

Neo

Don McCorkle

     I've been running GPL since it 1st came out, and online for more than a
year. And I can tell you that most of us have long ago stopped using the
moving wheel/arms for a few reasons.
1st: they use too much cpu resources
2nd: It slows down your frame rate. Besides, you already have two arms and a
wheel.
3rd: it's just plain distracting

In the of GPL the 60s, pit stops weren't the norm. So there was no need to
model a functional pit crew.
As for having 3D pit crews in N4, I rather they put their resourses into
other more important areas.

They don't race in the rain on ovals. And the lack of traction at Watkins
Glen and Sears Point would have 99% of us off at every corner.

This idea does have merit

Another good idea

hopefully we won't need the tow truck. But having one would be more
realistic. The only trouble is that when your day is done, most just disco.
So this feature wouldn't be worth the effort.

The damage is more than enough already

Again, the menus are just fine, and they're functional

"Breaks and wheel-spin" - I love being able to press the

excellent idea.

Joel Willstein

I prefer the arms and wheel.  I've never seen conversation on RAS or VROC
by anyone who said they gave them up for the reasons you described -
obviously that doesn't mean it hasn't occurred, but I'm just curious who
"most of us" are...

--David Cook

    You're missing a few important points.
.
1- most online racers I now run gpl with 350-450 computers with 64MB or RAM
2- the arm/wheel thing uses a lot of cpu resourses
3- they get in the way of the tach while turning the wheel. And it's a real
pain in the ***in     the eagle
4- they're very distracting while trying to concentrate on your driving
5- I already have arms and a wheel.

    7 out of 10 gpl drivers at WinVROC don't use this option.

Joel Willstein

I certainly do use the arm and wheel, and I really like it, can't live
without it! :-)

--
Arne Martin

Where did you get this statistic?

Neo

Having read so many opinions that the arms and steering wheel in GPL
is better switched off, I went and tried a few hotlaps without it, and
it's only now that I can appreciate the use of turning the darn things
off. My lap times have increase by 1.7 seconds on some tracks. Judging
corners has become easier and although it may not LOOK as nice, it
makes for much better racing.

That's for hotlapping however.

Racing on-line is still more fun with the full range of in-car
features, but only because I'm not trying to squeeze the last few
seconds out of my car when I race on-line. I just try to stay ahead.

Neo

It's not because W. Woeger is using a joystick that all the most competitive
gpl racers use it! Most of them use a wheel.
Let's not confuse this again.
It's like saying that all good racers race Lotii because Jim Clark does...

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

It's nothing like that, and isn't just because one person is
successful at it that the rest of us are.

The fact is, if you want to pull off decent hotlap times, the best
combination is a joystick and a set of pedals.

Using a steering wheel to turn the car takes too long to make
corrections when hotlapping. A joystick only needs simple hand
corrections.

Simple, and true...

Neo

(More)simple, and true...:)

Wolfgang

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