rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim Wheatle** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Might be just me, but those who are afraid to do that, can't expect to get
the best out of their system anyway - EVER, because it's impossible to with
default settings.

--

> See comments below:-

> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:53:56 -0000, "Tim Wheatley"

> > >ME is better for *** when you configure it properly, easily.

> > Why? Every game I own works great on Win98 so why is ME better for
> > ***?

> ME may well be better for ***, but only after you undo all the silly
> things that ME does by default when you first install it. I know for a
fact
> that a lot of people haven't got either the skill or the bottle (or both)
to
> hack around their shiny new operating system, so either they:
> a. put up with it
> b. pay a lot of cash for expert help or
> b. give up

> Despite the fact that microsoft make more money from the 'home' industry
> it's suprising that Windows tends to default more towards business use.

> I think there is still a strange snobery about computers being serious use
> objects.

> HaHa, what a joke!
> Alan

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:16:00

> N3 was never released in the UK

I bought it from *** in a twinpack with ICR2 given away free.
That's the only time I ever saw it though, I'll admit.

Andrew McP

by Am » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:21:06

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:54:46 -0000, "Alan Coates"

OK, but why is it maybe better? What does it do differnetly that makes
it better than my patched version of Win98?

by **rik anthra** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:23:51

no

> there's something wrong with your setup.

i
> get 46-51 fps at 1084x768x16 and 27-34fps at 1084x768x32. i'm using dx8
and
> winME.

> it looks absolutely teriffic! and very smooth.

> maybe it's the voodoo card...those things have kinda been passed by in the
> tech. race, no? pick up a GeForce (or maybe a Radeon).

> > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

> > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
36fps)
> > from my system I know it's not my system.

> > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

> > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
> > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
> > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

> > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

> > And with only 1 car on the track!

> > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics appear
> to
> > step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and
> distracts
> > from being able to drive well.

> > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I get
the
> > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real life
> footage
> > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it which
> > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

> > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
> smaller
> > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it aint
> > working!

> > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the ***A1 of Nascar Heat
> (excellent
> > frame rate and full field)

> > Alan

by **rik anthra** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:24:55

> > Hopefully the D3D renderer isn't
> > that much worse than OGL- but I guess it could be. I certainly haven't
> > experienced any of the problems you mentioned, and haven't seen too many
> > other complaints- but I've mostly spoken to guys using OGL.

> Actually I had a10 fps _increase_ with D3D as opposed to OGL (TNT2 Ultra
on

> bit nicer, though, D3D looks a bit washed out in comparison.

> > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
> > smaller
> > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
aint
> > > working!

> Wrong. You'll get a better framerate with the outside views, with no
***pit
> on the way. Rendering the***pit increases the load of the system, not
> vice-versa. Remember that this is a full moving 3D***pit, not a static
> 2D sprite as the cocpits used to be in the old days. Whatever the reasons
> for Papy are for deciding the size of the***pit view, they are not
> framerate related.

> My only actual complaint of the demo (and the game) is that I don't like
> Nascar. :P

awesome :O
> Jussi

by **madd..** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 10:02:51

256MB PC133 RAM
GF2 GTS 64MB
1154x'whatever' in OpenGL=55fps in***pit

Sent via Deja.com http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Before you buy.

by **Steve Pritcha** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:53:00

> What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics appear to
> step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and distracts
> from being able to drive well.

I get this, but only when I'm on line - it's most noticeable from the in-car
view, an happens less-so in the external views. It still reports 40 - 45fps
though on my Athlon 910/V3 3000/DX8 setup

Maybe it's a Voodoo/DX8 issue?

Cheers,

Steve

by **Arto Wik** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Funny, the N4 demo works fine (well, the sound doesn't!) in my
VERY modest system PII350, 64Mb, Voodoo 2, 8Mb!!

Arto

PS What to do with the "not progressive" sound? The throttle seems
to affect to the sound nearly "on-off" way. Acceleration seems
to be natural and "progressive", though...

by **Larr** » Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:42:49

It's called ACPI, and it's doing what it's supposed to do :)

-Larry

> You sadden me, Mr Wheatley. And I thought you were a mature character.
> However I have managed to improve frame rate. It's strange how Widows ME
is
> quite happy to allow IRQ sharing between the adapters!
> ME wouldn't let me change the IRQ settings in software (or bios) but by
> jiggling between different PCI slots with the sound adapter I managed to
get
> a different IRQ and this improved things no end.
> I'll say it again as I've said in a previous post. Dx8 to speed games up
ME
> to slow them down!
> I remember the days when a user had complete autonomy over IRQ settings.
> Windows is not improving, just becoming too rigid and intransigent.

> One last point, N3 was never released in the UK and as N4 is unlikely to
be
> its all become quite academic.
> Regards,
> Alan

> > Absolute crap, you just need to read the readme.

> > --

> > > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

> > > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
> 36fps)
> > > from my system I know it's not my system.

> > > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

> > > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
> > > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
> > > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

> > > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

> > > And with only 1 car on the track!

> > > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics
appear
> > to
> > > step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and
> > distracts
> > > from being able to drive well.

> > > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I get
> the
> > > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real life
> > footage
> > > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it
which
> > > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

> > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
> > smaller
> > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
aint
> > > working!

> > > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the ***A1 of Nascar Heat
> > (excellent
> > > frame rate and full field)

> > > Alan

by **Larr** » Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:43:48

I disagree 100%.

I won't even get into the stability and driver problems...

There is too much going on in the background with WinME. Framerates are
inconsistent, and system pauses are common.

-Larry

> ME is better for *** when you configure it properly, easily.

> --

> > You sadden me, Mr Wheatley. And I thought you were a mature character.
> > However I have managed to improve frame rate. It's strange how Widows ME
> is
> > quite happy to allow IRQ sharing between the adapters!
> > ME wouldn't let me change the IRQ settings in software (or bios) but by
> > jiggling between different PCI slots with the sound adapter I managed to
> get
> > a different IRQ and this improved things no end.
> > I'll say it again as I've said in a previous post. Dx8 to speed games up
> ME
> > to slow them down!
> > I remember the days when a user had complete autonomy over IRQ settings.
> > Windows is not improving, just becoming too rigid and intransigent.

> > One last point, N3 was never released in the UK and as N4 is unlikely to
> be
> > its all become quite academic.
> > Regards,
> > Alan

> > > Absolute crap, you just need to read the readme.

> > > --

> > > > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

> > > > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
> > 36fps)
> > > > from my system I know it's not my system.

> > > > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

> > > > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
> > > > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
> > > > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

> > > > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

> > > > And with only 1 car on the track!

> > > > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics
> appear
> > > to
> > > > step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and
> > > distracts
> > > > from being able to drive well.

> > > > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I
get
> > the
> > > > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real life
> > > footage
> > > > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it
> which
> > > > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

> > > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
> > > smaller
> > > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
> aint
> > > > working!

> > > > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the ***A1 of Nascar Heat
> > > (excellent
> > > > frame rate and full field)

> > > > Alan

by **Ian** » Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:43:22

I disagree with that 100%. I'm using windows ME on my other PC, I have no
driver problems and the system is more stable than 98se which I have on this
PC (though that hardly crashes anyway).
As for ***, if you turn off the system restore facility it works just
fine for games, framerates are stable and I don't get any system pauses.
Only thing I've noticed is some programs seem to take a second or two before
they start loading.

--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>

by **daxe** » Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:51:29

>I disagree 100%.

>I won't even get into the stability and driver problems...

>There is too much going on in the background with WinME. Framerates are
>inconsistent, and system pauses are common.

Windows ME works great here. I have no stability problems at all, no
framerate problems and no driver problems. The background stuff can
easily be disabled by anyone who has half an idea what they are doing.
The quick startup, thumbnail view and improved network stability are
worth the price of upgrade.

~daxe

by **Mitch Alatorr** » Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:44:02

Try the following steps to improve WinMe performance.

I got this in an email a while back

"Optimizing Windows Millennium

10 modifications that I have made to Windows ME to gain SIGNIFICANT
increase in speed, performance and security. I have tested these
settings for over a month and haven't encountered any problems.
After applying these tweaks and rebooting the free resources are 99%.

Before you decide you actually want to give up these features for the
extra speed you should read this page.
http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/sept00/09-05winme.asp

Keep in mind that the developers and testers for these features never
encountered a worm or trojan or they may have found that PC Health and
Restore will reinstall a trojan because it wants to take you back to the
previous state before your "cleaning" modifications were made. Their
ideas are good but unfortunately they didn't take these problems into
account. It's also obvious they use very fast computers and didn't
notice the deterioration of speed (compared to 9x) with all these
features turned on.

1. Disable System Restore.
Open Control Panel -> System -> Performance Tab -> File System - >
Troubleshooting area -> Disable System Restore
(While you are in this window click on the Floppy Disk tab and uncheck the
box so the system doesn't check for a NEW floppy drive every time it
starts.)
~~
2. Uninstall Pc Health.
Start / Run "\windows\pchealth\support\pchsetup /uninstall"
~~
3. Turn off Automatic Updating. (This will hog your modem for 30
mins every day when you first go on line if you don't turn it off.)
Start / Settings / Taskbar / Advanced
then check Expand Control Panel and close and go to
Start / Settings / Control Panel / Automatic Updates and turn OFF Automatic
Updating
~~
4. Use ram memory rather than the swap file. (The system needs OVER 64 megs
of ram.)
Start / Search / Files type and enter: "system.ini" then click on it
and open it in Notepad and add this line after [386Enh] (without quotes)
"ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1"
~~
5. Set file system to cache about 20 times higher than its default
setting. Copy and paste these lines to Notepad and name the file
MaxCached.reg then click on MaxCached.reg from Windows Explorer and say
Yes you want to add that information to your registry. (You must
set Notepad to "all files" when you save it or it will save as text.)

-------------------------------- copy
below ----------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\FS Templates]
@="Max Cache"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\FS
Templates\Max Cache]
@="Max Cache"
"NameCache"=hex:00,18,00,00
"PathCache"=hex:80,00,00,00
------------------------------- to
above ------------------------------------
~~
6. Disable these settings in the start menu.
Start / Run type and enter: "Msconfig"
then click on Startup and UNCHECK PcHealth, StateMgr, SchedulingAgent
and Taskmon Then allow the system to reboot so all these changes will
take effect.
~~
7. Run Windows Explorer and click on Tools / Folder Options / View and
select "Show hidden files and folders" then browse the c: drive and
delete the _Restore folder. Hold your shift key so it doesn't move it
to the recycle bin while you press del. This folder can have hundreds of
megs of temp files if you have been running ME for a while with the
system Restore and PC Health on. If you get an error message saying
there is a sharing violation you haven't successfully turned off Pc
Health and Restore. The _Restore folder should NOT appears again in the
future (unless you update a key Microsoft program like IE).
~~
8. See if anything unnecessary is running all the time.
Press CTRL + ALT + DEl at the same time, after you have first booted
up and see what programs are loaded. You may find several programs running
that don't need to run all the time. Most of them, if actually needed, can
be loaded from the Start / Programs menu.
~~
9. Don't let windows run HTA, SHS and VBS Script automatically.
Those file associations allow viruses to infect your system. Open
Windows Explorer and click Tools / Folder Options / File Types and
delete HTA, SHS and VBSscript. It is very unlikely a normal PC user
would need those file associations turned on.
~~
10. Disable "Automatic check for Windows Explorer updates"
From the IE "Tools" menu click on "Internet Options" then go to
"Advanced" and uncheck the 4th box.

EVERY week back up modified files, defrag the system and update the
definitions and scan the whole system with your favorite anti-viral
program. Run Ad-Aware to fight the spying that a least 100 programs are
known to do. (I do this mainly to save the baud width wasted by the data
and banner ads that are passing back and forth.)

I also manually load ZoneAlarm Pro. from time to time to monitor all
programs and report everything that tries to access the internet. I don't
like programs "calling home" without my permission.

Note: Win ME does not use c:\command.com or win.com. I have found that
deleting these files - that are NECESSARY for Win 9x - does not make a
difference for ME."

I used these and didnt notice a heap of difference, but my machine has had
windows installation over the top of another - needs a good format. Im
going to stop using ME and switch full to 2000 when I have the time.
Pete

"Larry" <n...@none.com> wrote in message

news:okOc6.60101$YQ.12751758@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...

> I disagree 100%.

> I won't even get into the stability and driver problems...

> There is too much going on in the background with WinME. Framerates are
> inconsistent, and system pauses are common.

> -Larry

> "Tim Wheatley" <lege...@legends.SPAMplus.com> wrote in message
> news:I9yV5.1446$nd.12056@stones...
> > ME is better for gaming when you configure it properly, easily.

> > --
> > t...@legendscentral.com www.legendscentral.com
> > "Alan Coates" <alan.coa...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:V_wV5.1315$0z.16338@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > You sadden me, Mr Wheatley. And I thought you were a mature character.
> > > However I have managed to improve frame rate. It's strange how Widows
ME
> > is
> > > quite happy to allow IRQ sharing between the adapters!
> > > ME wouldn't let me change the IRQ settings in software (or bios) but
by
> > > jiggling between different PCI slots with the sound adapter I managed
to
> > get
> > > a different IRQ and this improved things no end.
> > > I'll say it again as I've said in a previous post. Dx8 to speed games
up
> > ME
> > > to slow them down!
> > > I remember the days when a user had complete autonomy over IRQ
settings.
> > > Windows is not improving, just becoming too rigid and intransigent.

> > > One last point, N3 was never released in the UK and as N4 is unlikely
to
> > be
> > > its all become quite academic.
> > > Regards,
> > > Alan

> > > "Tim Wheatley" <lege...@legends.SPAMplus.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Y2jV5.302$nd.4676@stones...
> > > > Absolute crap, you just need to read the readme.

> > > > --
> > > > t...@legendscentral.com www.legendscentral.com
> > > > "Alan Coates" <alan.coa...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:K3eV5.1669$L66.26391@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > > > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

> > > > > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
> > > 36fps)
> > > > > from my system I know it's not my system.

> > > > > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

> > > > > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
> > > > > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
> > > > > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

> > > > > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

> > > > > And with only 1 car on the track!

> > > > > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics
> > appear
> > > > to
> > > > > step across the screen when turning. This is hard on the eyes and
> > > > distracts
> > > > > from being able to drive well.

> > > > > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I
> get
> > > the
> > > > > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real
life
> > > > footage
> > > > > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it
> > which
> > > > > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

> > > > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think
the
> > > > smaller
> > > > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
> > aint
> > > > > working!

> > > > > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the crap A1 of Nascar Heat
> > > > (excellent
> > > > > frame rate and full field)

> > > > > Alan

by **Peter Hoope** » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:47:54

N3 was released in the UK. I bought mine from EB in London ages ago.

Peter H

>> You sadden me, Mr Wheatley. And I thought you were a mature character.
>> However I have managed to improve frame rate. It's strange how Widows ME
>is
>> quite happy to allow IRQ sharing between the adapters!
>> ME wouldn't let me change the IRQ settings in software (or bios) but by
>> jiggling between different PCI slots with the sound adapter I managed to
>get
>> a different IRQ and this improved things no end.
>> I'll say it again as I've said in a previous post. Dx8 to speed games up
>ME
>> to slow them down!
>> I remember the days when a user had complete autonomy over IRQ settings.
>> Windows is not improving, just becoming too rigid and intransigent.

>> One last point, N3 was never released in the UK and as N4 is unlikely to
>be
>> its all become quite academic.
>> Regards,
>> Alan

>> > Absolute crap, you just need to read the readme.

>> > --

>> > > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

>> > > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
>> 36fps)
>> > > from my system I know it's not my system.

>> > > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

>> > > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
>> > > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
>> > > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

>> > > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

>> > > And with only 1 car on the track!

>> > > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics
>appear
>> > to
>> > > step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and
>> > distracts
>> > > from being able to drive well.

>> > > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I get
>> the
>> > > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real life
>> > footage
>> > > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it
>which
>> > > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

>> > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
>> > smaller
>> > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
>aint
>> > > working!

>> > > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the ***A1 of Nascar Heat
>> > (excellent
>> > > frame rate and full field)

>> > > Alan

by **Sean Higgin** » Mon, 05 Feb 2001 03:25:07

Why don't the UK guys buy N4 from the US? I bought GP3 from the UK so I
could get it before the US version was released. You just have to get used
to "tyres" and a few other things. hehe

--

Sean Higgins

Redline Racing League
www.rrlnrs.com

> N3 was released in the UK. I bought mine from EB in London ages ago.

> Peter H

> >> You sadden me, Mr Wheatley. And I thought you were a mature character.
> >> However I have managed to improve frame rate. It's strange how Widows
ME
> >is
> >> quite happy to allow IRQ sharing between the adapters!
> >> ME wouldn't let me change the IRQ settings in software (or bios) but by
> >> jiggling between different PCI slots with the sound adapter I managed
to
> >get
> >> a different IRQ and this improved things no end.
> >> I'll say it again as I've said in a previous post. Dx8 to speed games
up
> >ME
> >> to slow them down!
> >> I remember the days when a user had complete autonomy over IRQ
settings.
> >> Windows is not improving, just becoming too rigid and intransigent.

> >> One last point, N3 was never released in the UK and as N4 is unlikely
to
> >be
> >> its all become quite academic.
> >> Regards,
> >> Alan

> >> > Absolute crap, you just need to read the readme.

> >> > --

> >> > > Sorry people but on my P3/800 + V5500 it's just plain aweful!

> >> > > As I drive GPL with excellent results (2xFSAA at 1026x768 constant
> >> 36fps)
> >> > > from my system I know it's not my system.

> >> > > Dx8 (no openGL driver for V5500)

> >> > > Frame Rate 4xFSAA 13-18
> >> > > Frame Rate 2xFSAA 22 - 38
> >> > > Frame Rate noFSAA 34 - 42

> >> > > This from a lowely 1024x768x16(colour depth)

> >> > > And with only 1 car on the track!

> >> > > What is worse, despite the above frame rates the outside graphics
> >appear
> >> > to
> >> > > step across the screen when turning. This is *** the eyes and
> >> > distracts
> >> > > from being able to drive well.

> >> > > On each incarnation of Nascar the outside view becomes smaller. I
get
> >> the
> >> > > sense that I am now driving from the rear seat. Looking at real
life
> >> > footage
> >> > > of drivers behind the wheel, they are almost cramped up against it
> >which
> >> > > means that they hardly see the wheel while driving.

> >> > > More outside view would allow better driving judgement. I think the
> >> > smaller
> >> > > view is probably there to help frame rate. Well guys (and gals) it
> >aint
> >> > > working!

> >> > > Won't be buying this. Will put up with the ***A1 of Nascar Heat
> >> > (excellent
> >> > > frame rate and full field)

> >> > > Alan

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