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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
I always thought more linearity made it twitchier.
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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
I always thought more linearity made it twitchier.
-Larry
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=142
"You have seemingly got more concerned about people using aids in the game than
those that are actually cheating and using things outside the game. Where were you
when I ranted about the cheaters long ago. It seems now that you are losing races that
it has become an all encompassing crusade on your part."
I was ranting along with you. Was I on RAS? Nope. I have seen things in regards to people such as Loan that don't sem logical. Flipping your car over at Homestead entering Turn 1. Ever see that happen? Passing cars 3 wide with no draft in 2002, where draft reigns supreme. As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap. I could care less if it's in the game, you are undermining the whole process of ability, and letting the game do everything for you. How is that any different than using a hack? Outside source vs Inside. So basicaly its an implemented tool to gain an advantage over others. Why even RACE now if you have to turn on aids and use stupid setups tricks? See what I'm saying? Legit racing is dead in 2003 right now, and will continue to be unless Papy fixes it.
Kevin:
I Think you have lost your mind.. hehe.. Now you say that if you run rear weight that comes in the game its
cheating.. Let me give you some advice. If its in the game.. Dig It Out And Use It. That is why
Papyrus put it in the game. Derek Woods uses rear weight in his setups, usually less than
1700 if he can.. So does JG24 and are you calling them cheaters as well.
You need to go race some IROC dude!! What you really need is a POA!
DW
As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap.
Derek does? Hmm last I checked he was using my setups, and not one went past 1740. You have some inside info that he and I don't know about? I said its CHEAP, I didn't say cheat. Your whole thing is to find flaws and use them. Yeah that's cheap.
Kevin:
I Think you have lost your mind.. hehe.. Now you say that if you run rear weight that comes in the game its
cheating.. Let me give you some advice. If its in the game.. Dig It Out And Use It. That is why
Papyrus put it in the game. Derek Woods uses rear weight in his setups, usually less than
1700 if he can.. So does JG24 and are you calling them cheaters as well.
You need to go race some IROC dude!! What you really need is a POA!
DW
As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap.
he said it in a public chat.. you want it.. maybe ole derek is holding out on you..
dw
no wonder he is faster than you....
lol
dw
Derek does? Hmm last I checked he was using my setups, and not one went past 1740. You have some inside info that he and I don't know about? I said its CHEAP, I didn't say cheat. Your whole thing is to find flaws and use them. Yeah that's cheap.
Kevin:
I Think you have lost your mind.. hehe.. Now you say that if you run rear weight that comes in the game its
cheating.. Let me give you some advice. If its in the game.. Dig It Out And Use It. That is why
Papyrus put it in the game. Derek Woods uses rear weight in his setups, usually less than
1700 if he can.. So does JG24 and are you calling them cheaters as well.
You need to go race some IROC dude!! What you really need is a POA!
DW
As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap.
I dont know why but when I ran my ole Pro Digital 2 I had to set linearity to no more than 20% or it became overly twitchy yet with the Momo I must get up near 80%. Go figure :)) Ideally Id like to have more wheel travel for finer control. I get the most "travel" getting up near 100%. Bear in mind I normally use the Logi Profiler where I can tweak that axis in combination with the ingame linearity settings.
I remember having this discussion a few years ago and I determined (in my own mind anyway) that it was the centering mechanism of the wheel that had the most effect on the linearity settings in game. Meaning a bungee centering wheel needs much less linearity (20% or so) than a motor driven or hydraulic based wheel like a Momo which depending on centering forces needs to be closer to the other end of the spectrum..
My definition of twitchy is having to turn the wheel fewer degrees of radius to get full lock in the game.
Yes, thats the way I have always had it happen. Why it is the opposite for some I don't know.
Pete
So say from 0-100% (I run 95%) wouldn't you get twitchier going from 0 to 100? Wonder why it is the opposite for some.
It looks to me that you think Don is the ONLY person that does this? Pretty naive if you think that way. Ever since N1 there have been people out there that have found the holes and used them. There is no one particular person to blame for this except papyrus for leaving the holes there. Looks like you're trying to *** Don for the manufacturers coding of thier new and improved physics. :-) Now that's CHEAP. Hope you find you're own hole. :-)
Derek does? Hmm last I checked he was using my setups, and not one went past 1740. You have some inside info that he and I don't know about? I said its CHEAP, I didn't say cheat. Your whole thing is to find flaws and use them. Yeah that's cheap.
No I don't think he is the only one, that's obvious. He is the only one I know of that publicly admits it. Isn't that how it goes?
It looks to me that you think Don is the ONLY person that does this? Pretty naive if you think that way. Ever since N1 there have been people out there that have found the holes and used them. There is no one particular person to blame for this except papyrus for leaving the holes there. Looks like you're trying to *** Don for the manufacturers coding of thier new and improved physics. :-) Now that's CHEAP. Hope you find you're own hole. :-)
Derek does? Hmm last I checked he was using my setups, and not one went past 1740. You have some inside info that he and I don't know about? I said its CHEAP, I didn't say cheat. Your whole thing is to find flaws and use them. Yeah that's cheap.
I already explained to you there is a setup that allows you to run outside and
you don't need any drafting partner at Tally and Daytona. If you want to continue
ranting please read what I post or I see no need to replay.
As far as doing flips in the corner this one draws a blank! I have no idea how
this could be used to advantage unless you are a gymnast.
Whether you consider things cheap or cheating or whatever thats your problem.
I don't use them and I try and do the best I can. If I have a good run where I didn't
make any screwups and didn't wreck anyone, plus get a decent finish I'm happy.
Your having to win in order to be satisfied shows a serious problem on your
part. It says more about your own deficiencies than the sims.
Play the game the way as it was issued. If you can't find another hobby or
continue labeling everyone that beats you as a cheater.
Have fun.
Pete
I was ranting along with you. Was I on RAS? Nope. I have seen things in regards to people such as Loan that don't sem logical. Flipping your car over at Homestead entering Turn 1. Ever see that happen? Passing cars 3 wide with no draft in 2002, where draft reigns supreme. As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap. I could care less if it's in the game, you are undermining the whole process of ability, and letting the game do everything for you. How is that any different than using a hack? Outside source vs Inside. So basicaly its an implemented tool to gain an advantage over others. Why even RACE now if you have to turn on aids and use stupid setups tricks? See what I'm saying? Legit racing is dead in 2003 right now, and will continue to be unless Papy fixes it.
Ahh, the crime of honesty what gall. LOL Why don't you commit the same
crime and admit to being a bad loser.
I see you mention that you have used 1740 rear weight. Gee thats real close
to what I have used. I went and tried your supposed cheats. I put the weight back
to 1650(it doesn't go to 1645 like you suggested) turned on all the aids(at Texas)
took the car out for a "spin". You are absolutely right! It was the most exhilarating
ride I have ever taken. I spun in the corners, spun on the straights in fact all I did
was spin. I haven't yet figured out to take advantage of all this spinning but I'm
sure you will lay another spin to it.
I can see now where all these aids really help you in the manner you suggest!
Pete
No I don't think he is the only one, that's obvious. He is the only one I know of that publicly admits it. Isn't that how it goes?
I only repeated what I was told by Don in an email sent to me. So if you have anything to complain about, talk to your friend. I wish you guys would use the correct term, I never said its a CHEAT, I said its CHEAP.
Ahh, the crime of honesty what gall. LOL Why don't you commit the same
crime and admit to being a bad loser.
I see you mention that you have used 1740 rear weight. Gee thats real close
to what I have used. I went and tried your supposed cheats. I put the weight back
to 1650(it doesn't go to 1645 like you suggested) turned on all the aids(at Texas)
took the car out for a "spin". You are absolutely right! It was the most exhilarating
ride I have ever taken. I spun in the corners, spun on the straights in fact all I did
was spin. I haven't yet figured out to take advantage of all this spinning but I'm
sure you will lay another spin to it.
I can see now where all these aids really help you in the manner you suggest!
Pete
No I don't think he is the only one, that's obvious. He is the only one I know of that publicly admits it. Isn't that how it goes?
LOL Man you read too into things. You believe this game actually affects my life, you must be spying on me or something. I play this game to have fun, when people manipulate it to something else, that's when I get upset. Makes sense? As far as the flips, you obviously don't get it. If he flipped what does that suggest? More grip ding dong. Tell me having more grip isn't an advantage.
I already explained to you there is a setup that allows you to run outside and
you don't need any drafting partner at Tally and Daytona. If you want to continue
ranting please read what I post or I see no need to replay.
As far as doing flips in the corner this one draws a blank! I have no idea how
this could be used to advantage unless you are a gymnast.
Whether you consider things cheap or cheating or whatever thats your problem.
I don't use them and I try and do the best I can. If I have a good run where I didn't
make any screwups and didn't wreck anyone, plus get a decent finish I'm happy.
Your having to win in order to be satisfied shows a serious problem on your
part. It says more about your own deficiencies than the sims.
Play the game the way as it was issued. If you can't find another hobby or
continue labeling everyone that beats you as a cheater.
Have fun.
Pete
I was ranting along with you. Was I on RAS? Nope. I have seen things in regards to people such as Loan that don't sem logical. Flipping your car over at Homestead entering Turn 1. Ever see that happen? Passing cars 3 wide with no draft in 2002, where draft reigns supreme. As far as I'm concerned, a guy who runs all these setup hacks (all rear weight and aids on) can be considered cheap. I could care less if it's in the game, you are undermining the whole process of ability, and letting the game do everything for you. How is that any different than using a hack? Outside source vs Inside. So basicaly its an implemented tool to gain an advantage over others. Why even RACE now if you have to turn on aids and use stupid setups tricks? See what I'm saying? Legit racing is dead in 2003 right now, and will continue to be unless Papy fixes it.
I only repeated what I was told by Don in an email sent to me. I wish you guys would use the correct term, I never said its a CHEAT, I said its CHEAP.
KK, First off its not cheap to run any weight the game allows you to. I think its matter of fact smart to
try and balance your car. For you to call anyone thats its cheap to run a legal weight is BS..
ill change all my setups to 1950 Forward weight so you can get around me.. lol
DW
Sorry, I don't see flipping a car as having more grip. But then again you may not be explaining
it correctly. If the grip was stronger I suppose he could roll the car over in the turn but it would
still need to hit a curb or another car. If the grip is increased the drag co-efficient would also
probably go up thus negating the increased traction. Now if you are telling me that Don has the
ability to unpack encrypted files alter the needed values, balance off the checksums that would be
affected, re-encrypt and repack the files you must know him better than I.
Yes more grip could be an advantage but many other factors need to be taken into account.
I'm sorry but this hacking or cheating would be very sophisticated and I don't know many that would
be capable of accomplishing it.
I think you are reaching for straws. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but to accuse Don is really
a stretch.
I may be a ding dong but your theories are wing ding.
Pete
LOL Man you read too into things. You believe this game actually affects my life, you must be spying on me or something. I play this game to have fun, when people manipulate it to something else, that's when I get upset. Makes sense? As far as the flips, you obviously don't get it. If he flipped what does that suggest? More grip ding dong. Tell me having more grip isn't an advantage.