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To let Sierra/Papyrus know the consequences of their actions, we all need
 to flood their tech support lines with the CD copy protection problems,
only then will they hear us. Every time someone complains about the CD,
it will generate a tracking ticket, and they will eventually add up so their
management will do something about it.

I'm personally holding off on purchasing N4 because of this very issue.

Jay

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While I'm sure Papy will understand, I am pretty darned sure that Sierra
could care less how we feel about this.

Sierra is nothing more than a publisher.  They don't understand 'us' like
Papy does.

I'm also fairly confident that Papy doesn't have much of a say in this
matter.

-Larry

Oh, great.  Let the TRUE bone-heads of the industry make the decisions :)

-Larry

In other words, we will all have Digital Leashes stuck up our butt's.

Microsoft is already starting that with Windows XP and Office XP.

-Larry

I haven't been able to get my hands on N4 yet so I don't if I'll have
problems or not. I don't get the copy protection thing either... I have N3,
NLegends and GPL all working without the CD, I have no idea why, they
aren't cracked, just straight official installs. Why now!!

I hope they enjoy the returns it's generating.

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:05:38 GMT, Mike Donnelly Jr

Most stores won't take returns. Only EB takes returns here.

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Jagg

Sierra has a money back guarentee - you can get your money back , just have
to tell them why you don't like it.
I seriously doubt the returns are that great, as the security issue really
only effects a fairly small percentage of buyers.
I agree though, I would be upset if I could not get it to run on my cd-rom,
I would either wait for a fix or take it back.
More and more *** companies are using this type of security - let's face
it, thanks to all the crooks/warez people, they are forced too.

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Don Burnette

thus spoke:

It doesn't stop warez in the least.
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Jagg

No, but as long as they keep doing their thing, companies publishing games
are going to strive to make it more difficult for them. Can't blame them for
that.

Don Burnette

Sure it does.. not completely, but at least to some degree.

You keep acting like anyone and everyone that has a burner knows where to go
find cracks.  Trust me, that is not the case.  Just because we do, does not
mean everyone does.

I know plenty of people that play games (have the hardware to run N4) and if
they went to copy the game and then their copy said "Insert CD", they would
have no clue.  They would probably burn another 20 coasters trying to figure
out why their burner is not working right.

thus spoke:

Anyone that can't run a game (or make a backup) because of it can.
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Jagg

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:07:26 -0600, "Cliff Roman"

True, but those people are not big time pirates and do not pose a real
piracy threat. It probably loses more customers than it's worth.
Anyway, we've already been over this just the other day and it's quite
clear that your's and Don's opinions are greatly in the minority on
this issue.
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Jagg

I will fully agree that it probably loses more customers than it is worth.
However the game company themselves has to come to that conclusion before
they say "ok, we are losing more customers because of this than we gained
due to piracy".

This is Papys first time using this Copy Protection (did not put it on N3
when MANY other companies were already using it), so let this be their
learning stage.   I am not sure how fair it is to bash Papy as people have
for "not caring about their customers" when this is the first time they have
ever tried using this protection.

Now, if they know of these problems and then they do it again on the next
release.. then I could see slamming them.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:06:17 -0600, "Cliff Roman"

I don't blame Papyrus at all over this issue. Sierra I do. It's common
fact that *all* copy protection schemes have caused customers similar
problems.
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Jagg