rec.autos.simulators

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:12:18

About a year ago I made the post below, and guess what, Mafia has
actually been released now :) What I read so far from user-reviews
this one seems to be a GTA3 killer. Only negative point is that you
need a MONSTER pc to run this baby, it even seems to struggle on a P4
with a GF4 card :-/

Andre

I thought the upcoming game 'Mafia: The city of lost heaven' would be
mostly an fps game, but after reading the preview it seems to be more
of a 'Driver' clone:

Mafia's driving engine is more realistic than you might think. Each of
the 60 different vehicles in the game behaves like its real-life
counterpart, and they can all receive varying types of damage that can
prevent them from running - like flat tires caused by bullet holes.
There are specific missions where your driving skills are really put
to the test. In one mission, you'll essentially be the driver for the
getaway car, but other gangsters will shoot at you from their vehicle
as you try to drive your compatriots to safety. Some missions even
involve racing on an actual track - that happens to be owned by one of
the crime bosses - in a vintage F1-style car.

Full preview here
http://www.racesimcentral.net/,2160,2098688,00.html

Andre

by **himrli..** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:22

According to the folks over in the action
newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
finish the mission or you don't. For those with
massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
in the bargain bin.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:12:18 GMT,

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:07:47

>According to the folks over in the action
>newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
>not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
>finish the mission or you don't. For those with
>massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
>design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
>to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
>in the bargain bin.

GTA3 also doesn't have a save option.. personally I think a 'save
anywhere' option spoils the fun. A nice solution is something like
Operation Flashpoint had, a one-time save per mission only.

Andre

by **himrli..** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:11:01

To each his own. You can have my copy. ;)

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:07:47 GMT,

>>According to the folks over in the action
>>newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
>>not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
>>finish the mission or you don't. For those with
>>massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
>>design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
>>to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
>>in the bargain bin.

>GTA3 also doesn't have a save option.. personally I think a 'save
>anywhere' option spoils the fun. A nice solution is something like
>Operation Flashpoint had, a one-time save per mission only.

>Andre

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

by **Doug Elliso** » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:04:09

> >According to the folks over in the action
> >newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
> >not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
> >finish the mission or you don't. For those with
> >massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
> >design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
> >to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
> >in the bargain bin.

> GTA3 also doesn't have a save option..

Yes it does.

It even explains how to save in the first mission

Doug

by **Joe6** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:50:21

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:04:09 +0100, "Doug Ellison"

>> GTA3 also doesn't have a save option..

>Yes it does.

Only in-between missions thought, it's not a save-anywhere. I don't
know what all the whining's about. Has there EVER been an arcadish
driving game with save-anywhere? Even in sims you almost never get
this.

by **Tyler Eave** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 04:00:41

Buy this game. Now.
Just bought it, and after 10 minutes in the free drive mode (Yea!) I'm
hooked. The cars behave very realistically, you can spin, the cars are
bouncy, as you'd expect, and they stop about as well as a freight train. Oh,
and while still not a perfect in car mode, it does have a hood cam, a
definate improvment over GTA. Oh, speeddomerter, tach, and gears too. Even
fuel!

A+++++

by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:33:37

>To each his own. You can have my copy. ;)

Hehe, thanks :)

Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:35:23

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:04:09 +0100, "Doug Ellison"

>> >According to the folks over in the action
>> >newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
>> >not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
>> >finish the mission or you don't. For those with
>> >massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
>> >design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
>> >to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
>> >in the bargain bin.

>> GTA3 also doesn't have a save option..

>Yes it does.

>It even explains how to save in the first mission

>Doug

Obviously (imho) we were talking about an 'save anywhere' option.
You can't save in-between missions in GTA3.

Andre

by **rrevve** » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:42:19

>You can't save in-between missions in GTA3.

If you go to your hideout you can.

by **jason moy** » Sun, 01 Sep 2002 01:59:57

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:35:23 +0200, Andre Warringa

>Obviously (imho) we were talking about an 'save anywhere' option.
>You can't save in-between missions in GTA3.

Sure you can. =)

(you meant *during* missions right?)

Jason

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by **David Powel** » Sun, 01 Sep 2002 03:02:32

Tried doing OFP on veteren level with only one save, LOL...its so realistic
that like any solider entering the situations the game puts you in you are
certain to died :)

I had to resort to removing the savegame file from the temp and getting
multisaves, and I'm pretty ***y good at it.

OFP truely rules, get the new resistance addon game and you get no bugs and
much improved net play...

> >According to the folks over in the action
> >newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
> >not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
> >finish the mission or you don't. For those with
> >massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
> >design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
> >to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
> >in the bargain bin.

> GTA3 also doesn't have a save option.. personally I think a 'save
> anywhere' option spoils the fun. A nice solution is something like
> Operation Flashpoint had, a one-time save per mission only.

> Andre

by **jason moy** » Sun, 01 Sep 2002 03:35:06

Wimp. I beat the US and Soviet campaigns in less than a week and
didn't have to replay anything. I forgot the game had a save
function.

Stick to blipping the throttle, mate. =p

Jason

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:02:32 +0100, "David Powell"

>Tried doing OFP on veteren level with only one save, LOL...its so realistic
>that like any solider entering the situations the game puts you in you are
>certain to died :)

>I had to resort to removing the savegame file from the temp and getting
>multisaves, and I'm pretty ***y good at it.

>OFP truely rules, get the new resistance addon game and you get no bugs and
>much improved net play...

>> >According to the folks over in the action
>> >newsgroup, this is one of those titles that does
>> >not support a "save anywhere" feature. You either
>> >finish the mission or you don't. For those with
>> >massive amounts of time and patience, a reasonable
>> >design decision. For most everyone else, a reason
>> >to wait for a patch, a trainer and a lower price
>> >in the bargain bin.

>> GTA3 also doesn't have a save option.. personally I think a 'save
>> anywhere' option spoils the fun. A nice solution is something like
>> Operation Flashpoint had, a one-time save per mission only.

>> Andre

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by **Andre Warring** » Sun, 01 Sep 2002 03:57:33

>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:35:23 +0200, Andre Warringa

>>Obviously (imho) we were talking about an 'save anywhere' option.
>>You can't save in-between missions in GTA3.

>Sure you can. =)

>(you meant *during* missions right?)

Yes, you and Revved are right, you can save in between missions, but
not 'anywhere you want to'. In one mission I had to hijack a money
transport car or something like that. After that the police is all
over you and you have to get rid of them. Well, they were wrecking me
from all sides, no way I could make it to my hideout to make a save.

What would have spoilt all the e***ment (imho) is when I could use
quicksave and quickload whenever I wanted to. It takes away all the
challenge from a game when you can save it everytime before things get
ugly.

Good games with a good gameplay balance don't need no stinkin'
quicksave option.

Andre

by **jason moy** » Sun, 01 Sep 2002 07:18:41

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:57:33 +0200, Andre Warringa

>Yes, you and Revved are right, you can save in between missions, but
>not 'anywhere you want to'.

Right. If you save during a mission, the mission ends and you have to
start over.

I don't see a big deal about not having a save option. When there is
an in-mission save, I always seem to abuse it - JK2, SOF2, MOHAA I
spent more time saving than playing.

Jason

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