> >You think that's good? I've done 0:04.53 at Rouen - beat that :-)
> >Ok, I confess, I was using warp drive :-)
> Rouen's the only track that I've done a warp-speed lap at... 2.14 seconds!
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Kurt
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>This is where you're probably mistaken. The two 'accelerating curves'
>won't stay 50m apart through the acceleration. The distance will
>grow with time. This comes from the fact that the guy starting
>to accelerate earlier has a higher speed at any point and time
>on the straight where he's accelerating than the guy starting
>50m later. So at the end of the straight your 50m will
>have grown to, say 70m or a 100m.
>This is why it always feels difficult to overtake another car when
>accelerating out from a corner. The other car will always seem to pull
>impossibly away. The only way to pass a car is by either drafting
>or leaving enough room before the exit of the turn so that you can
>get on the gas earlier when coming out. Actually a combination of both
>would seem to be most effective :) This is why when 'defending' your
>position it is a good idea to slow down excessivly in a corner so that
>the car behind you failes to get the needed room he needs to get
>on the gas earlier. I.e. he's so close to you that he has to
>wait for you to start accelerating _first_ before he can
>start accelerating.
><snip>
>Regards,
> Casper
Regards,
Bart Westra
Or just watch the movie Grand Prix at the start at Monaco.
You can clearly see the racing groove almost all around the dark. It's very
nice (of course that movie rules for racing sequences).
Zandvoort from Nine days in the summer also has a dark groove IIRC.
and the Ring also, but the Ring has a very unsmooth texture to the track. I
figure it's a limitation of the GPL graphic engine with the track texture.
That would be really incredible to actually have a realistic feeling to the
track texture (not the same one for 24km).
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I get very small calibration space and that can be fixed with hacking the
registry.
Contact PDPI for help, or ask around here. I'm going to try it out when I get
home on Thursday. I'm also expecting new pots :o)
Tadej
> >Yeah, unbeliavable.
> >But I think once I get my PDPI settled (it still needs some fine tunning)
> Tune your PDPI?? How? I'd loveto tune my PDPI.
> Sam
Yeah, probably :o)
But I already have at least some 700 laps done there ;o)
Yeah, I'll try it out :o)I did that in GP2 though...
Yeah, you're crazy ;o))
I mean, how on earth could you do that without flat-shifting ??
Although one shouldn't trust too much to online times (I did once 1.27.15 and
Sasa 1.26.90) :o)
What do you think you gained most over W.Woeger's lap ?
Parabolica, Lesmo1, Lesmo2 or Curva Grande ? I doubt it could be Ascari :o)
ce'ya
Tadej Krevh
I meant the beginning of the acceleration. What distances the cars
have during the acceleration time/distance does not matter.
Well, 100m is a good guess, but you forget that in this example, the
cars were not 50m apart at the beginning, but side by side. The
overall gain of early acceleration is, as I figured out, 50m.
As you did not understand my example the way I intended, I'll explain
it again: Let's say a single driver travels at 100mph, then
accelerates somehow within a mile to 200 mph, then continues at 200
difference in the time needed.
With that example, the 1.1sec or 50m acceleration delay at 100mph of
the slower driver/driving leeds to only 0.5 sec or 50m disadvantage
compared to the fast driver/driving.
BTW: I think the effect of seeing a growing/shrinking distance to the
car ahead is called "*** band effect", because the time gap between
two cars stays roughly the same, but speeds and thus distances vary.
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I think any modern software should take this into consideration, and
leave some "space" at idle and full throttle, especially when the
signal is shakier than any nervous human foot can be.
In GP2, it was possible to check whether you reached 100% throttle, or
not. In GPL, you have to guess.
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>> It's possible. But it will take hours to get I believe. My 1m27s09
>> took around 2 hours, so to get into the 26's is going to take many
>> more.
>Yeah, probably :o)
>But I already have at least some 700 laps done there ;o)
In qualifying for race 1 I did 4 laps under wolfi's qual time time of
1m27s45, best being 1m27s29. For race 2 in qual I managed 3 good laps
being, 1m27s31, 1m27s29, 1m27s17 (just checked, wasn't 16 after all :)
All weren't using flat-shifting :)
In hotlapping, I really don't think flatshifting makes any difference
to normal lifting on gear changes. Just depends how well you can lift,
and how consistant you are. I rarely blow a lotus engine nowadays :)
Though, in hotlapping it's easier to just keep it floored.
Yeah, probably 1 out every 50 laps you will have a warp lap where you
can't be sure weather you did that time or not.
Actually I have no idea. I watched his lap once to see where the lines
where, then I went out and hotlapped, making adjustments to what I
believe was a faster line.
In general, the secret to a good lap at monza is getting parabolica
down pat. You can lose almost 1/2 a second on this corner alone from a
good to great lap.
Ian
Which is just as it was in real life when comparing 1994 F1 to 1967
F1.
Cheers!
John
After I bought a used motorbike and got a horsepower test, I looked
into the carb in search for the missing hp and found that the throttle
did not open completely. But I confess, that was in the 80s.
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http://www.hut.fi/~casper/floorit.xls
I hope I remembered the old formulas right. The sheet does
not take braking into account, but I don't think the end
result would be that much different...
Now start checking your Monza times with excel sheets and
let's see those lap times come down ;)
Regards,
Casper
>>This is where you're probably mistaken. The two 'accelerating curves'
>>won't stay 50m apart through the acceleration. The distance will
>>grow with time. This comes from the fact that the guy starting
>>to accelerate earlier has a higher speed at any point and time
>>on the straight where he's accelerating than the guy starting
>>50m later. So at the end of the straight your 50m will
>>have grown to, say 70m or a 100m.
>>This is why it always feels difficult to overtake another car when
>>accelerating out from a corner. The other car will always seem to pull
>>impossibly away. The only way to pass a car is by either drafting
>>or leaving enough room before the exit of the turn so that you can
>>get on the gas earlier when coming out. Actually a combination of both
>>would seem to be most effective :) This is why when 'defending' your
>>position it is a good idea to slow down excessivly in a corner so that
>>the car behind you failes to get the needed room he needs to get
>>on the gas earlier. I.e. he's so close to you that he has to
>>wait for you to start accelerating _first_ before he can
>>start accelerating.
>><snip>
>>Regards,
>> Casper
>You make a mistake here I think. The distance between the cars grows, at
the
>same time the speed of the cars increases, as a result the time difference
>remains the same (if they accelerate at the same rate on every point of the
>track).
>The explanation must be that the faster driver has started to accelerate
>earlier. If he did this from a lower cornering speed, it looks like the
>drivers are leaving the corner at the same speed. But the faster one has a
>greater acceleration, and will be faster on the straight until approaching
>top speed.
>Regards,
>Bart Westra
Regards,
Bart Westra
>>>In GP2, it was possible to check whether you reached 100% throttle, or
>>>not. In GPL, you have to guess.
>>Which is just as it was in real life when comparing 1994 F1 to 1967
>>F1.
>No. Such simple things don't need electronic data recording.
This is consistent with real life, which is the point I was making.
Cheers!
John
