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AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

Chri

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Chri » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

So, MaX.  Just how long have you been working for the
GP500 development team?  Hmmmm?  Jesus, you're a
walking, talking billboard for them.


> The bottom line is GP500's menus get you on the track with the least
> effort, quick and simple.  AMA's is a maze of confusion.

> MaX
> (AMA=A Motorsims' ***)

> >GP500s is ok, but its
> >very lightweight in terms of features it allows you to change
> >and customize, especially in the controller area.

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Chri

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Chri » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

You can change this behavior in the controller setup menu.
When set to auto, the rider pitch will sit the rider up
on the bike when you brake.  I've got the rider pitch
coupled to my braking input.  The rider is tucked all the
time unless I'm on the brakes.  I've got it set so that
the rider goes from 100% tuck linearly to 50% tuck
as I go from 0% to 100% braking input.  The linear progression
really smooths out the dynamic view.  I agree that it bobs
a bit when set to auto.  I'm guessing it's because the auto
setting sends the rider from 100% tuck to 0% tuck the instant
you hit the brakes.

BTW, MaX.  It would be nice if you'd loose the combative
attitude towards Motorsims.  You may not like the AMA game,
but the Motorsims folks are real people with real jobs doing
their best to make a good game.  They don't deserve all the
***you've been dishing out lately.  A little courtesy mixed in
with your criticisms would go a long way to giving you some
small margin of credibility.


> Yeah, I love how the rider's point of view bobs up and down even
> with the slightest press of the throttle or brake...
> AMA = A Motorsims' *** !

> >BTW, I find the riders view for riding much better than SBK's.
> >At least I don't get seasick in AMA <G>

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Bob

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by Bob » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Just to be *somewhat* informative myself, the rider pov bobbing up and down
can be controlled in the *terrible* UI you are talking about. Its called
rider pitch. If you leave it on the throttle/brake axis at the default
setting, this is what you will get. It, like anything else in the control
UI, can be adjusted. I'm sure it can be adjusted to suit *almost* anyones
tastes.

Good day.



> > Yeah, I love how the rider's point of view bobs up and down even with
> > the slightest press of the throttle or brake...
> > AMA = A Motorsims' *** !

Terry Welc

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Terry Welc » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Thank goodness you're outta here! We can finally get beyond simple-
minded flaming and self-serving anger and work on constructive
criticism!



> andrew: Hmm, thanks for being behind me.  I knew I wasnt the only
one.  I'm
> gonna send in my bug report to MotorSims than I'm deleting this game
for good.

> wayne: 1st person view didn't get you sick?  oh my god, I was about
to puke.
> But thats not saying its a bad on board view, I just find it hard to
stomache.
> But personaly I think it seams over done.  But [this is a general
insult to AMA]
> the AMA courses are not very well kept and rather bumpy as it is.

> any hoo.  no long comments towards the game, but if the full version
is anything
> like this, you wont see the $45 us, which it costs, on my credit
card.  Nor will
> you see me wasting my time downloading a full cracked copy either.

> end of subject,
>                 DjFIL


> > I thought I was the only one who had those opinions of the UI.  I
was a beta
> > tester, but quickly gave up on the game because of the awful UI.
The UI is
> > not just bad, but perhaps the worst I've ever seen in a game.




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Chris Schlette

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Instant gratification isn't everything.


Ma

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Ma » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I would be less combative if Motorsims admitted AMA needs some serious
work to reach a completed state.  What truly upsets me about this
company is how they've put this early beta in stores and suckered
people into paying $50.  That's inexcusable.
DjFI

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by DjFI » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Dear confused,

I don't have a copy of GP500.  At all.  But once it's in North America or I
find a place to buy it online It will be on its way here.

DjFIL



> > Nor will
> > you see me wasting my time downloading a full cracked copy either.

> > end of subject,
> >                 DjFIL

> Hmmm that about sums it up eh?
> BTW where did you buy your copy of GP500?
> Thought so
> Funny
> Mike

DjFI

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by DjFI » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

the bit about ama courses sucking, its just my critism and sarcasm acting in.
I dislike AMA as a whole.

DjFIL


> > wayne: 1st person view didn't get you sick?  oh my god, I was about to
> puke.
> > But thats not saying its a bad on board view, I just find it hard to
> stomache.
> > But personaly I think it seams over done.  But [this is a general insult
> to AMA]
> > the AMA courses are not very well kept and rather bumpy as it is.

> Odd, but a) Road America, b) Laguna Seca, c) Mid-Ohio, d) Road Atlanta are
> all first class tracks and are not unkept.  Road courses, heck even oval
> tracks, are not flat glasslike surfaces with that are utterly smooth.

> > any hoo.  no long comments towards the game, but if the full version is
> anything
> > like this, you wont see the $45 us, which it costs, on my credit card.
> Nor will
> > you see me wasting my time downloading a full cracked copy either.

> Why in the world would you want to download a full cracked copy, other than
> it being illegal, when you can download the entire game, minus the offline
> AI scripts, for FREE directly from Motorsims?

DjFI

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by DjFI » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Perfectly said max.  I applaud Geoff Crammond for pushing the release of
GP3 back because it wasnt to his standards.  I also admit it is getting
kinda anoying watching GP3 release date getting pushed back as much as it
does, but atleast he's not gonna put something out that could have easily
have been done a whole lot better.

DjFIL


> I would be less combative if Motorsims admitted AMA needs some serious
> work to reach a completed state.  What truly upsets me about this
> company is how they've put this early beta in stores and suckered
> people into paying $50.  That's inexcusable.

> >BTW, MaX.  It would be nice if you'd loose the combative
> >attitude towards Motorsims.  You may not like the AMA game,
> >but the Motorsims folks are real people with real jobs doing
> >their best to make a good game.  They don't deserve all the
> >***you've been dishing out lately.  A little courtesy mixed in
> >with your criticisms would go a long way to giving you some
> >small margin of credibility.

DjFI

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by DjFI » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

this is not MaX replying but... personaly I did not apply for the beta team,
but I have friends that did apply and were choosen.  And the they even had
major complaints right from the start.

> Did Motorsims *piss* in your Wheaties or something. You have yet to say
> anything worth reading. I'd hate to put you in the kill file, some of your
> post regarding other sims are somewhat informative. You aren't disgruntled
> still because they didn't select you to be on the original beta team, are
> you??
> Get over it!!

> Good day



> > Yeah, I love how the rider's point of view bobs up and down even with
> > the slightest press of the throttle or brake...
> > AMA = A Motorsims' *** !

Chri

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Chri » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

OK, you've got a point.  It does need some work.  But, how
many games ever released *DIDN'T* need a bit of work?  Not
too many.  Also, I don't remember Motorsims ever being less
than honest about the game and the fact that updates will
be following.  Take the fact that they've already released
an update as partial proof.  And the game's only been in stores,
what, two weeks?  Three weeks?  Sounds to me like they're beginning
to make good on the things they've said.

If you still don't like the game after they've released a couple
of updates, fine.  But at least acknowledge the fact that
they're following through with their statements so far.

-Chris-


> I would be less combative if Motorsims admitted AMA needs
> some serious work to reach a completed state.  What truly
> upsets me about this company is how they've put this early
> beta in stores and suckered people into paying $50.
> That's inexcusable.

> >BTW, MaX.  It would be nice if you'd loose the combative
> >attitude towards Motorsims.  You may not like the AMA game,
> >but the Motorsims folks are real people with real jobs doing
> >their best to make a good game.  They don't deserve all the
> >***you've been dishing out lately.  A little courtesy mixed in
> >with your criticisms would go a long way to giving you some
> >small margin of credibility.

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by Jo » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00


>I would be less combative if Motorsims admitted AMA needs some serious
>work to reach a completed state.  

Oh please. I've NEVER seen a more responsive company, more willing to
put continual effort into improving the product over time. They are
here in the newsgroups fielding questions (even rude ones), they've
paid big bucks for the technology and infrastructure to deliver
continuous enhancements, and they've ALREADY got one patch out (in
record time) addressing several of the issues raised here on this very
group.

Your comment is ridiculous.

Joe McGinn
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Mark S. Mille

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Mark S. Mille » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Where the hell did Motorsims think up this ***ass maze of a user
> interface.  This truly is the slowest and most annoying ui I have ever
> seen in any game.  [...]

First of all ... we are planning some rework to reduce the texture budget on
the UI. That's why it's slow loading a screen the first time - it's a LOT of
texture getting loaded.

Next, the UI was built that way for a very good reason. Most racing games
are "tunnel" interfaces. That is you go through a very rigid sequence each
time you want to get on the track: pick a bike, pick a track, tune the bike,
tune the settings, now I can drive. Or something similar. I agree, there
ain't much room for confusion there.

But ... For a game which will also support serious online play, having to do
that much work everytime you want to change races does not work well. It
becomes a royal pain real quick. It's just a different flow than you're used
to.

You seem to have already made up your mind about us ... but I figure you at
least deserved an explanation of what we were trying to do.

    -MSM

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George M. Smile

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by George M. Smile » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> they've ALREADY got one patch out (in record time) addressing
> several of the issues raised here on this very group.

Actually the patch addresses multiplayer issues only, something
that wasn't touched upon by anyone on this newsgroup as
far as I know (at least not until after it was released).  Indeed
I would call it more of an upgrade than a patch.  Not really
making a 'point' here, just clarifying.

 - George

Jo

AMA Superbike Open Beta - UI & Problems

by Jo » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00


The physics model was affected too (specifically wheelies).

Joe McGinn
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