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May the Force be with you...NOT

Steve Smit

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Steve Smit » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:37:42

Please don't kill me; I'm only the messenger.

A list of games "protected" by (or "infested" with, depending) w. Star
Force, including Codie titles like TOCA Race Driver, posted on
broadbandreports.com:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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AceSaga N/A Star Force
American Conquest N/A CDV Software Russia StarForce 3
Anito: Defend A Land Enraged N/A Anino Entertainment Asia StarForce 1
Anstoss 4 N/A ? Germany StarForce 3
Army Men N/A 3DO Russia StarForce
Bandits: Phoenix Rising N/A Tri Synergy N/A StarForce 3.03.036.001
Breed 1.0 CDV US StarForce 3.3.33.06
Breed N/A CDV France StarForce 3.3.33.08
Broken Sword 3: The Sleeping Dragon N/A
Revolution US StarForce
Chrome N/A Strategy First Russia StarForce 3
Codename: Outbreak N/A *** Interactive Russia StarForce 1
Cossacks: Back To War N/A CDV Software Russia StarForce 1
Cossacks: European Wars N/A GSC Russia StarForce 3
Curse: The Eye of Isis N/A Dreamcatcher Interactive N/A StarForce 3
Cycling Manager 3 N/A GMX Media N/A StarForce 3
Dead to Rights N/A Hip Interactive N/A StarForce 3
Demonic Speedway N/A ? Poland StarForce 3
Desert Rats vs. Afrika Corps 1.0 Monte Cristo France StarForce 3.3.31.19
DTM Race Driver 2 N/A Codemasters N/A StarForce 3.3.35.02
Emergency Fire Response N/A Dreamcatcher Interactive N/A StarForce 3
Enigma: Rising Tide N/A Tesseraction Games N/A StarForce 3
Etherlords N/A Fishtank Interactive Russia StarForce 1
Etherlords II N/A Strategy First N/A StarForce 3.03.031.021
Fire Chief N/A Strategy First N/A StarForce 3
Fire Department N/A Monte Cristo N/A StarForce 3
Gangland N/A Whiptail Interactive N/A StarForce 3.03.031.021
Heroes of Might & Magic IV: The Gathering Storm N/A 3DO Russia StarForce
Horse Race Manager N/A Cyanide N/A StarForce 3
Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter N/A Interplay UK StarForce 3
IL-2 Sturmovik N/A Ubi Soft Russia StarForce 1
Kicker Manager 2004 N/A Deep Silver N/A StarForce 3.03.036.001
Kill Switch 1.0 Namco France StarForce 3.3.33.08
Korea: Forgotten Conflict N/A CENEGA N/A StarForce 3
Magna Carta N/A Korea N/A StarForce 1
Magnamedia N/A Russia N/A StarForce 3
Mercedes-Benz World Racing N/A TDK Mediactive Spain StarForce 3
Might & Magic IX: Writ of Fate N/A 3DO Russia StarForce
Narsillion N/A ? Russia StarForce 1
Obscure N/A Hydravision Entertainment N/A StarForce 3.3.36.01
Pax Romana N/A Dreamcatcher Interactive N/A StarForce 3
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time N/A Ubisoft Russia StarForce 3
Pro Rugby Manager N/A Digital Jesters N/A StarForce 3.3.33.08
Rally Championship Xtreme N/A Warthog Entertainment Software N/A StarForce
Rendezvous 3 N/A ? Russia StarForce
Restaurant Empire N/A Enlight Software N/A StarForce
Revolution N/A Activision Value Publishing N/A StarForce
Runaway: A Road Adventure N/A Tri Synergy N/A StarForce 3
Seventh Seal: The Resurrection of the Dark Lord N/A ? Asia StarForce 2
Shtyrlits 3: USSR Agent N/A ? Russia StarForce 1
Siege of Avalon N/A Digital Tome Russia StarForce 1
Silent Storm N/A Nival N/A StarForce 3
Silkolene Honda Motocross GP N/A Midas Interactive Entertainment N/A
StarForce 3
Sniper N/A ? N/A StarForce 3
Soldiers: Heroes of World War II 1.05.1 Codemasters N/A StarForce
3.03.036.001
Tennis Masters Series: Battleground of Champions N/A Microids Asia StarForce
Tennis Masters Series: Battleground of Champions 1.1 Microids Czech
StarForce 3
The Heroes of Three Kingdoms N/A N/A Asia StarForce
The I Of The Dragon N/A Primal Software Russia StarForce 3
The Westerner N/A Focus Home Interactive France StarForce 3.3.31.21
TOCA Race Driver 2 1.0 Codemasters N/A StarForce 3.3.35.02
TOCA Race Driver 2 1.1 Codemasters N/A StarForce 3.3.36.01
TOCA Race Driver 2 1.2 Codemasters N/A StarForce 3.3.36.01
Track Mania N/A Nadeo N/A StarForce 3.03.035.004
Trackmania N/A Nadeo N/A StarForce 3
UFO: Aftermath 1.00 CENEGA Spain StarForce 3
V8 Supercars 2 N/A Codemasters Australia StarForce 3.3.35.02
Wildlife Park N/A Encore, Inc N/A StarForce 3
World War II: Frontline Command 1.0.0.0 Strategy First N/A StarForce
World War II: Frontline Command N/A Strategy First N/A StarForce 3
X2: The Threat N/A Enlight Software N/A StarForce 3.3.30.5
Xuan-Yuan Sword 4 N/A ? ASIA StarForce 2

Also they apparently include this protection with the demos of some of these
games ???

Why ?

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...AND the tool to remove the evil scheme:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Joachim Trens

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:46:30

...

Strange, I've got IL2 installed but no Starforce drivers in my DevMan
(yep, I've enabled the display of the hidden devices).

--
Achim
http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

Steve Simpso

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Steve Simpso » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:38:10

I've also got a game called 'Beyond Divinity' which isn't in that list and
it's definitely Starforce 3.
Destro

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Destro » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:32:47

Yeah, and?

Steve Simpso

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Steve Simpso » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:18:34

I should add that I've had no problems what-so-ever with it and all of my
other devices are working just fine.

Mika Takal

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Mika Takal » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:24:04



SimBin's GTR will have Starforce3 too.

Starforce is bad because it install hidden device drivers WITHOUT asking
anything when you put the cd/dvd into your drive, and doesn't remove the
driver when uninstalling the game. It also makes the cd/dvd impossible to
backup. Making a backup for personal used is completely legal* and well
explained action, and taking away the customer's right to do so, is plain
evil (and even illegal?).

Starforce3 should keep the *** pirates out, though.

*at least here in Finland, untill the new copyright laws come into effect
sometime next year; those include the illegality of braking copyright
protections even for personal use

--
Mika Takala
^not a pirate. Just keeping watch of basic consumer rights.

Steve Simpso

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Steve Simpso » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:30:55

Rumour has it that the GTR betas warn about the CD drivers installed by
Starforce 3 and 'Starforce Cleaner' is included on the CD.
Edgecrushe

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Edgecrushe » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:20:50

Not really, all they've done is ensure people who want to buy the game will have to download it to
avoid having starforce dumped on their system.

_____

Steve

"Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense."


> Starforce3 should keep the *** pirates out, though.

Mika Takal

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Mika Takal » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:44:27



So tell me, how many starforce-protected games have been cracked (=nocd-exe
available)?

0.

Ok, there have been some hacks with mini-sized cd-images which have only the
data that starforce drivers need to see, but those haven't been around for
many games and they do not work for everyone.

"i have a race tonight but cat just broke my cd.. lets just use the
backup..oh, what backup? where can i get a working cd in two hours time
without buying a second license..."  a difficult scenario for users. I do
not have much hope for flexible (fast enough) replacement cd/dvd service by
the importers, publishers or distributers...

--
Mika Takala

Steve Smit

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Steve Smit » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:13:05

Me too.  I ran the SF remover tool and it said it didn't detect any SF
drivers.

Like I say, I'm just the messenger.  I don't like the idea of clandestine
forces messing with my computer (there's actually a law against that here),
so I'm propagating the info for others to judge.



> ...
> > A list of games "protected" by ...
> > IL-2 Sturmovik ...

> Strange, I've got IL2 installed but no Starforce drivers in my DevMan
> (yep, I've enabled the display of the hidden devices).

> --
> Achim
> http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

Jussi Koukk

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Jussi Koukk » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:11:23

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:44:27 +0300, "Mika Takala"

something like:

:O

I guess I'll be keeping my GTR CD locked up somewhere so that my cat
can't get her claws on it ;)

Maybe they are after increased sales... GTR league racers will be
buying multiple copies as backups :/

(and ppl are complaining how complicated LFS registration system is...
seems like a better option to me)
--
- Jussi Koukku -

JP

May the Force be with you...NOT

by JP » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:35:19


  Ah, another crusade in the making.  Hope it turns out better than your
last one dealing with track creation.

- Show quoted text -

Mika Takal

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Mika Takal » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:36:39

That's how I feel too.

--
Mika Takala

Swerv

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Swerv » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:25:09



>> A list of games "protected" by ... IL-2 Sturmovik ...

> Strange, I've got IL2 installed but no Starforce drivers in my DevMan
>  (yep, I've enabled the display of the hidden devices).

I've got IL2:FB and the Ace expansion pack installed, and I do see
Starforce drivers in my device manager.   However, I can't guarantee
that IL2 is what installed them.   Guess I need to read up on how to get
rid of these things...
Mitch_

May the Force be with you...NOT

by Mitch_ » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:00:45

I only have IL2-FB/Aces, GTR PDemo, RBR Demo and NR2003 on my *** rig and
I dont have any SF drivers.

Mitch


> I've got IL2:FB and the Ace expansion pack installed, and I do see
> Starforce drivers in my device manager.   However, I can't guarantee
> that IL2 is what installed them.   Guess I need to read up on how to get
> rid of these things...


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