Care to go over to the ATI site and count the updates that have come out
in the past year?
> > > Nvidia ***?
> > No - they just didnt get rid of drivers properly
> > I'm very wary of ATI after drive nightmares with an orig. Radeon - but the
> > 9700 does appear to be a real performer ( unlike the poor Parhalia)
> > Doug
I take it your address reflects the status of your brain.
<plonk>
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:21:04 +0100, "David Powell"
> >this is relevent you fool....
> >> > From the tests and benchmarks this card is a rather large jump ahead of
> >> >the GF4. Much gained fps increase compared to the usual 'newly released'
> >> >card yet no one seems to have noticed or cared?
> >> Hello newbie,
> >> This (where I am following up to this crossposted message) is a
> >> newsgroup for discussing about PC action games. Not usually about new
> >> videocards, unless related to running certain action game etc.
> >> There are separate newsgroups for discussing about videocards. Maybe
> >> you should check them?
> >"none"
> >> There are separate newsgroups for discussing about videocards. Maybe
> >> you should check them?
> > Yes Mr. None, I agree with Powell. ANYTHING that improves your sim is
ON
> >TOPIC here. Ergo discussions about new vid cards are entirely
appropriate.
> Next, Mr. Dave, you could learn to read.
> The discussion was not about how to tune a 9700 for sims or anything
> like that. It was a question of "why aren't people talking more about
> 9700 in these *** groups". And the answer is, in all its
> simplicity: because this is not the proper place for GENERAL
> DISCUSSION about video cards.
> Now go away. You are not too bright, along with some other stupid ones
> who jumped the gun.
realy? hmm built 5 AMD systems and 2 Intel systems and never had this
problem........
its the user that makes the system unstable.........
ATI drivers truly suck, and make there Great cards slower...
ATI hardware with Nvidia Software makers would be cool...........
> ATI just released a whole new batch of drivers in August for to be
> completely compatible with XP SP1. For the past while, ATI has been
working
> it's arse off releasing drivers and fixing "bugs" and such.
> I've been using ATI cards for the past 1.5 years, and I only ran into 1
bug.
> It kept causing my early version of Max Payne to crash at a certain spot.
I
> had just updated the drivers a few weeks ago too. So I checked ATI's site,
> and sure enough, a new set of drivers were available. and sure enough, it
> fixed the problem and increased general frame rate to boot!
> Nvidia seems to be a large company, and seems to get in a lot of ass
kissing
> sessions with reviewers and such. Also, a lot of Nvidia people seem to be
> the ones telling me that "ATI has bad drivers". Then when I ask them why
> they say that, they just say "that's what I've heard".
> It TOTALLY reminds me of when I am trying to build a computer for someone.
I
> suggest to them to get AMD processors to save lots of money, and they
> sometimes reply "don't AMD processors like, not work with windows, and
catch
> on fire or something?". Then when I ask why they said that they replay
> "that's just what I've heard".
> Sorry to go off on a tangent... I'm bored.
> Mike
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
> > > > Nvidia ***?
> > > No - they just didnt get rid of drivers properly
> > > I'm very wary of ATI after drive nightmares with an orig. Radeon - but
> the
> > > 9700 does appear to be a real performer ( unlike the poor Parhalia)
> > > Doug
"none"
If you are implying something, you'd better get in line. If you have
actually HELPED anyone these past few years then I might be inclined to pay
attention to what you have to say... Criticism without a solution is
meaningless.
NOW as to NOT being too bright, IF I am reading a racing sim newsgroup and
somebody brings up the topic of video cards, I can fairly easily make the
jump in logic that the poster is curious about how a certain video component
performs with sims. I do NOT need a subject line that says: "Why isn't
anyone talking about the 9700 and how it works with racing sims." My mama
taught me enuf to no that what is unsaid is often clearer than what IS said.
That's all I have to say about that.
If you'd like to discuss this further, feel free. I do prefer though, to
know whom I'm speaking with, call me old fashioned.
dave henrie
P.
> realy? hmm built 5 AMD systems and 2 Intel systems and never had this
> problem........
> its the user that makes the system unstable.........
> ATI drivers truly suck, and make there Great cards slower...
> ATI hardware with Nvidia Software makers would be cool...........
oh dear, the guy was talking like: the 9700 drivers are as instable as the
original Radeon drivers (not 8500, the one before-it had real isssues)
my point was:
that 's like saying AMD is bad because their K5/6 processors had
shortcomings
both Ati and AMD had issues with old now out of production hardware
now things are better, stop sticking your head in the sand
notice the smiley Adam!!!
Nope , I was reffering to the fact that people somehow still remember the
days when AMD CPU's were slower for 3D than Intel, and had compatibility
isssues. Just like Ati had them twoo generations of Radeon ago. For both
companies things are solved now, but people tend to go what they think is
the safe route , and they buy into the market leader.
It surpries me that people on usenet aren't smart enough to read some
reviews of the new card, before making any judgement.... you'd think they
belong to the more *** part of the 'net!
> > How come no talk of ATI's 9700 Pro?!
> Because this is the strat newsgroup and there arnt many (any?) strat
> games out there that push a GF2 Pro, let alone a card 1.5 generations
> later?
> > realy? hmm built 5 AMD systems and 2 Intel systems and never had this
> > problem........
> > its the user that makes the system unstable.........
> > ATI drivers truly suck, and make there Great cards slower...
> > ATI hardware with Nvidia Software makers would be cool...........
> oh dear, the guy was talking like: the 9700 drivers are as instable as the
> original Radeon drivers (not 8500, the one before-it had real isssues)
> my point was:
> that 's like saying AMD is bad because their K5/6 processors had
> shortcomings
> both Ati and AMD had issues with old now out of production hardware
> now things are better, stop sticking your head in the sand
Olivier.
bericht
> > >> ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
> > >yes, like AMD is know for CPU's that cause instable systems and CPU's
> that
> > >go up in smokes :)
> > >seriously, I didn't buy an original Radeon because of some of thos
issues
> > >(and lacking brute force power) but form everything I've read, drivers
> are
> > >stable now
> > I have an 8500. Drivers are fine. Updated frequently, too.
> yes well the 8500 as you might know is the Radeon 2
> and the 8500 did have brute power, more than it's GF3 counterparts
> I was talking about the plain old Radeon...
Doing this, however, restricts you from getting an optimal solution at
any time. Again some people are willing to live with a non-optimal
path for a) peace of mind, and b) their own definitions of 'optimal'.
For example, price plays an important role in what I consider to be
optimum. Buying a 300-400$ video card isn't practical for me, no
matter what it does unless it comes packaged with Jennifer Conelly
(and if my wife is reading this, I'll donate her to charity.. by 'her'
I mean Ms. Connelly)
I suspect, that many people including myself, do look for the best
possible solution at any given time and their decision doesn't depend
too much on what a certain brand's products used to be a few years
ago. If, let's say, I got burned out by ATI 3DXpression, my 'first
impressions' would last just for that generation of 3DXpression
products, and not for new graphic chips (with substantially different
functionality) which come out years later.
More importantly, because of always buying optimally, I wouldn't have
bought 3DXpression in the first place :)
3DFX Voodoo1 was ignored by some Rendition fans, nVidia TNT came under
fire by 3DFX fans and ATI Radeon line of cards found the life tough as
well. They all were ridiculed for past performances; nVidia for its
abysmal NV1 chip (in Diamond Edge 3D), which I am glad Eep you didn't
buy because you'll be boycotting all nVidia products as well, ATI for
its indifferent driver support for many years, AMD for its forgettable
K5 and K6.
Some of us, have an expiry date for our 'first impressions',
especially when the product, they are based on, has expired as well,
and which gives us a better chance of picking the right CPU, sound or
graphic chip, when the time comes.
That's the way of the engineer !
--
Noman
THAT, if anything, is the way of engineering--and the industry.
> >FIrst impressions are everything. I had an AMD K5-PR133 (Heh, remember
> >"Pentium ratings"? How lame!) AND an ATI 3DXpression+PC2TV (Rage II+
> >chipset) and BOTH sucked petunas. Needless to say, since then I've
> >only bought Intel and nVidia and haven't had ANY problems since.
> >I will NEVER buy AMD or ATI EVER again--EVER! Just like I won't ever
> >buy an IBM hard drive ever again because I had one that completely
> >failed for no reason (no warning or bad sectors or anything!).
> That's one approach - safety first. Another reason some people would
> have is the brand loyalty (see, I didn't use the f word).
> Doing this, however, restricts you from getting an optimal solution at
> any time. Again some people are willing to live with a non-optimal
> path for a) peace of mind, and b) their own definitions of 'optimal'.
> For example, price plays an important role in what I consider to be
> optimum. Buying a 300-400$ video card isn't practical for me, no
> matter what it does unless it comes packaged with Jennifer Conelly
> (and if my wife is reading this, I'll donate her to charity.. by 'her'
> I mean Ms. Connelly)
> I suspect, that many people including myself, do look for the best
> possible solution at any given time and their decision doesn't depend
> too much on what a certain brand's products used to be a few years
> ago. If, let's say, I got burned out by ATI 3DXpression, my 'first
> impressions' would last just for that generation of 3DXpression
> products, and not for new graphic chips (with substantially different
> functionality) which come out years later.
> More importantly, because of always buying optimally, I wouldn't have
> bought 3DXpression in the first place :)
> 3DFX Voodoo1 was ignored by some Rendition fans, nVidia TNT came under
> fire by 3DFX fans and ATI Radeon line of cards found the life tough as
> well. They all were ridiculed for past performances; nVidia for its
> abysmal NV1 chip (in Diamond Edge 3D), which I am glad Eep you didn't
> buy because you'll be boycotting all nVidia products as well, ATI for
> its indifferent driver support for many years, AMD for its forgettable
> K5 and K6.
> Some of us, have an expiry date for our 'first impressions',
> especially when the product, they are based on, has expired as well,
> and which gives us a better chance of picking the right CPU, sound or
> graphic chip, when the time comes.
> That's the way of the engineer !
