Jeez, throw him a friggin bone here. Video cards are related to ***
performance and some people who play games may know more about
them (from a *** perspective) than people in a videocard-specific
group, who could tell you about the transistor design but not whether it
runs Nascar 2002 at 1600x1200 FSAA...etc at 60fps.
Although I do agree that cross-posting is usually a stupid thing to do
anyhows.
If you had a much older card, the Radeon 9700 would probably be worth it.
It has a feature set and raw power that is going to make it a powerful card
for some time to come- Truform 2.0, displacement mapping, 128 bit color, and
so on. The difference between the 9700 and the older Radeons is much bigger
than the GeForce 4 to the GeForce 3.
Betelgeuse,
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ATI releases drivers every month or so, and their driver support is
fairly good. I don't know how it benchmarks against NVidia drivers, but
frankly I am concerned more with stability than Q3 scores, and overall they
have been very good.
> > ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
> yes, like AMD is know for CPU's that cause instable systems and CPU's that
> go up in smokes :)
> seriously, I didn't buy an original Radeon because of some of thos issues
> (and lacking brute force power) but form everything I've read, drivers are
> stable now
ATI just released a whole new batch of drivers in August for to be
completely compatible with XP SP1. For the past while, ATI has been working
it's arse off releasing drivers and fixing "bugs" and such.
I've been using ATI cards for the past 1.5 years, and I only ran into 1 bug.
It kept causing my early version of Max Payne to crash at a certain spot. I
had just updated the drivers a few weeks ago too. So I checked ATI's site,
and sure enough, a new set of drivers were available. and sure enough, it
fixed the problem and increased general frame rate to boot!
Nvidia seems to be a large company, and seems to get in a lot of ass kissing
sessions with reviewers and such. Also, a lot of Nvidia people seem to be
the ones telling me that "ATI has bad drivers". Then when I ask them why
they say that, they just say "that's what I've heard".
It TOTALLY reminds me of when I am trying to build a computer for someone. I
suggest to them to get AMD processors to save lots of money, and they
sometimes reply "don't AMD processors like, not work with windows, and catch
on fire or something?". Then when I ask why they said that they replay
"that's just what I've heard".
Sorry to go off on a tangent... I'm bored.
Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > Nvidia ***?
> > No - they just didnt get rid of drivers properly
> > I'm very wary of ATI after drive nightmares with an orig. Radeon - but
the
> > 9700 does appear to be a real performer ( unlike the poor Parhalia)
> > Doug
>> ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
>yes, like AMD is know for CPU's that cause instable systems and CPU's that
>go up in smokes :)
>seriously, I didn't buy an original Radeon because of some of thos issues
>(and lacking brute force power) but form everything I've read, drivers are
>stable now
Crash7
Please remove x's from email address.
Feces occurs.
I used an ATI card for years and never had any trouble at all. Ran smoothly,
no bugs. Fairly regular driver updates.
Ohh I heard this type of thing from lots of "genuises" at local computer
shows just recently. I can't believe people still say this type of
thing..."AMD isn't Windows compatible!"..."It will burst into flames!". It
was hard to resist a chuckle hearing this stuff. :)
Derek
Stormcloud Creations
http://www.stormcloudcreations.com
> > From the tests and benchmarks this card is a rather large jump ahead of
> >the GF4. Much gained fps increase compared to the usual 'newly released'
> >card yet no one seems to have noticed or cared?
> Hello newbie,
> This (where I am following up to this crossposted message) is a
> newsgroup for discussing about PC action games. Not usually about new
> videocards, unless related to running certain action game etc.
> There are separate newsgroups for discussing about videocards. Maybe
> you should check them?
I've *seen* AMD processors overheat and catch fire (after a fan failure)! So,
while I still have a few of 'em running, the fan(s) are monitored closely. :)
Bill
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"none"
Yes Mr. None, I agree with Powell. ANYTHING that improves your sim is ON
TOPIC here. Ergo discussions about new vid cards are entirely appropriate.
Video Newsgroups DO have a place and we can probably learn from them, but
generally they wouldn't have a clue about how to tweek a vid card for better
simming.
dave henrie
> Anyone get one yet and want to share their views?
> http://www.sudhian.com/docs.cfm/id/224.sud
> >> ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
> >yes, like AMD is know for CPU's that cause instable systems and CPU's
that
> >go up in smokes :)
> >seriously, I didn't buy an original Radeon because of some of thos issues
> >(and lacking brute force power) but form everything I've read, drivers
are
> >stable now
> I have an 8500. Drivers are fine. Updated frequently, too.
I was talking about the plain old Radeon...
I think those Nividiots who say that "ATI has bad drivers" are the same
people who said "The V5 FSAA is blurry"!
-Tim
Are you talking about Springs***? If so I just got floor seats for Philly
yesterday!! Is that relevant at all?????
> >> ATI is known for very poor drivers and little if ANY updated drivers.
> >yes, like AMD is know for CPU's that cause instable systems and CPU's
that
> >go up in smokes :)
> >seriously, I didn't buy an original Radeon because of some of thos issues
> >(and lacking brute force power) but form everything I've read, drivers
are
> >stable now
> I have an 8500. Drivers are fine. Updated frequently, too.
> Crash7
> Please remove x's from email address.
> Feces occurs.
