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Specs. - 1400Athlon, 512mb
Simply did tests with the Ti500 then installed the Ti4200 (with proper
drivers) and ran same tests again.

Doom3 Alpha-
12x10 4200=map 1= 9 fps
12x10 500 =map 1= 9 fps
12x10 4200=map 2= 14.5 fps
12x10 500 =map 2= 14.5 fps

Comanche4-
12x10 4200 w. AA on =25 fps
12x10 4200 w. AA off=38 fps
12x10  500 w. AA off=15.5 fps

Mecwarrior3-
10x7 4200 w. AA on =25 fps
10x7 4200 w. AA off=49 fps
10x7  500 w. AA off=49 fps

RalliSport Challenge-
6x4   4200 w. AA off=38
6x4    500 w. AA off=26

6x4   4200 w. AA on=38
6x4    500 w. AA on=26

12x10 4200 w. AA off=25
12x10  500 w. AA off=19

12x10 4200 w. AA on=19
12x10  500 w. AA on=19

16x12 4200 w. AA off=25
16x12  500 w. AA off=NA

16x12 4200 w. AA on=19
16x12  500 w. AA on=NA

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/gf4athlonscaling/default.asp

Which of course, makes the comparisons rather useless.  4S is extremely
bandwidth and fillrate intensive, it's by far the most resource-hogging AA
mode on the GF4 line.  If you're comparing performance, then keep the
graphical settings the same.

Well really doesn't seem to matter anyway. After playing a while, any AA
with either of these cards on my system is not worth the performance hit
IMO. AA is for cards that can handle - ATI 9700 and hopefully the
upcoming GF FX.

Yes, it is fast...
I can run 1600x1200 (no-FSAA/4xAF) on a 19" CRT...
(F1 2001/2002/GPL/MBTR/Heat/Thunder2003/SCGTat10x7)

But somehow... I expected more...
(4sFSAA/8xAF in SCGT with Mod cars is still too much...)

I get just shy of 13,000 on 3DMark2001..
Compared to upper 8's on my old system..
(AMD 1600+/GF3 Ti200/512Mb Crucial PC2100/Enermax 350W)
But, I see little real-world difference...
On the 19", 1280x960 is fine... (AA&AF a bonus)

Luckily, it's no loss...
I'm considering dedicating the P4 to audio recording (w/ the GF3)
and using the AMD (w/ GF4) for games...
Real-time audio-processing will probably make more benefit of the CPU...

But, I'd recommend anyone about to lay out hard-earned cash,
to shoot lower in CPU speed...
In practice, it didn't help me much...

Regards...

    SCGT is a poorly optimized sim, and when you mix in high polygon-count
cars, even a Cray will bog down.  I used to get better fps with a PIII 500
and voodoo5 than I do now with a xp 18+/gf3ti200

       your gf 4 is fast when used in lower resolutions.  ONce you climb
over 12x8 and begin using fsaa and anistrophic stuff, it overwhelms the
card.   You did right by going for a fast cpu.  You just need to realize the
other limits your sytem still has.  Turn off the Fsaa and other effects and
the card should scream  (just not with SCGT){biggest frame-rate improvement
for scgt is to use the 1/4 size mirror from the uspits.
  Try benchmarking with n2k2 or the 3dsetup program for F1 2k2.    I'd guess
without fsaa enabled, you should get over 40 million triangles  in f1 2k2.
dave henrie

I agree Dave...
I have a Voodoo5 that runs the original SCGT in Glide
at 800x600 beautifully (PIII/733/256Mb)

I do get 43+M-tri in F1 2K2 at 1280x960x32...
But at 1024x768 w/4xFSAA&8xAF it's too slow.
(complain...complain... I know)

It is Fast... (very fast)
I guess that I was just expecting a HUGE jump in performance...
Which I didn't get...

Like I said... no loss...
I'll use this system for something else..
The AMD1600+ with a GF4 Ti4600 should run everything "well enough"...
(1024x768x32)

Btw... I do use the 1/4 size fuzzy-mod mirror patch in SCGT (60fps with no
mirror)...
I even reduced smoke t bump the FPS...
(btw2... do you notice a scruntched effect with the dash-view in the
newly-released Nordscleife?)

Thanks for the input Dave...

What resolution are you running you old AMD + GF3 at?  I have a P4 2.7G +
GF3 Ti 200 overclocked to almost Ti500 and I only get 8500 in 3D Mark 2001
under 1280X1024.  Seems to me your old 3D Mark number is really high.

"Glaspak"
   Nope I missed that,  I had not run SCGT for quite some time and so I
dloaded an Oreca Viper just for the Nordscliefe.(had to put up with an ART
Viper dash tho...tsk tsk)   :)  So I didn't perceive the scrunched view.
Perhaps they messed with the FOV slightly.
dave henrie

There is a patch to fix this scrunched view.
http://garage.racesimcentral.com/

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Though your investment in a 2.7G P4 deserves a beefier GF4 Ti card - a 4200
o/c'd to Ti 4400 levels will bring you up to 13000 ish imho (with 40
Detonators).