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Bathurst 24-Hours

Bruce Kennewel

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:16:00

After 2 hours, the past 30 minutes of it wet, the two Holden Monaro 427 c.i.
coupes are running 1st. (Steven Richards) & 3rd. (Peter Brock).

There's a ***y Ferrari in the sandwich! :)

Bruce.

Goy Larse

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Goy Larse » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:00:22


> After 2 hours, the past 30 minutes of it wet, the two Holden Monaro 427 c.i.
> coupes are running 1st. (Steven Richards) & 3rd. (Peter Brock).

> There's a ***y Ferrari in the sandwich! :)

Holden rules...:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Steve Whitt

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Steve Whitt » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:45:05



> > After 2 hours, the past 30 minutes of it wet, the two Holden Monaro 427
c.i.
> > coupes are running 1st. (Steven Richards) & 3rd. (Peter Brock).

> > There's a ***y Ferrari in the sandwich! :)

> Holden rules...:-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

After nearly 9 hours  Holden 1-2.  Brockie leading.

Steve

David Corles

Bathurst 24-Hours

by David Corles » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:13:35

can anyone else tell me why holden is the only manufacturer allowed to race
a non-production car in a production car race?

David Corless

Dave Henri

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Dave Henri » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:37:28



  $$  The same reason the parent company(GM) got away with racing a
prototype for years in the GTS class at LeMans.

dave henrie

J.D. Elli

Bathurst 24-Hours

by J.D. Elli » Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:06:50


Whatever helps you sleep at night, Dave...

<G>

-jde

Dave Henri

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Dave Henri » Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:55:55



  Yup<VBG>....(having Narcolepsy means I sleep quite well at night..and in
the morning, and in the afternoon.  Unmedicated, I could sleep as often as
a Hobbit eats.)

:)

  Just to clarify...To race a GTS Viper, you first bought a GTS-R Viper and
then added your team's tweeks.  To race a GTS Corvette, you got Pratt &
Miller to build a wider, longer version of the C5.   Saleen then followed
the Corvette model and built their GTS prototype from the ground up as
well.  I won't say who complained first about the Saleen...  :)

dave henrie

Bruce Kennewel

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:34:43

Where is it "non-production", David?
You mean the 7-litre engine? Isn't that an "option"?

Bruce.


Bruce Kennewel

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:35:56

They certainly did....a 1-2 finish and the 10th. win at Panorama for Peter
Perfect!

Bruce.



> > After 2 hours, the past 30 minutes of it wet, the two Holden Monaro 427
c.i.
> > coupes are running 1st. (Steven Richards) & 3rd. (Peter Brock).

> > There's a ***y Ferrari in the sandwich! :)

> Holden rules...:-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

David Corles

Bathurst 24-Hours

by David Corles » Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:02:42

well, the 7-litre 427 engine isn't an option: the biggest motor is the Gen 3
chev, which I think is 350cu
Neither is the sequential 6-speed holinger gear box.

In fact, I'm pretty sure most of the major parts aren't available for the
road going monaro.

Holden spoke about making them available, but never did anything practical
towards this.

David Corless

> Where is it "non-production", David?
> You mean the 7-litre engine? Isn't that an "option"?

> Bruce.



> > > > Holden rules...:-)

> > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > (uncle) Goy
> > > > "goyl at nettx dot no"

> > can anyone else tell me why holden is the only manufacturer allowed to
> race
> > a non-production car in a production car race?

> > David Corless

Peter Ogde

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Peter Ogde » Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:08:49


> well, the 7-litre 427 engine isn't an option: the biggest motor is
> the Gen 3 chev, which I think is 350cu
> Neither is the sequential 6-speed holinger gear box.

Correct.

Also very correct.

Yes, they did consider building some for paying customers but they dropped
the project when they discovered they would cost much (much, much) more than
original estimates.

It's another example of pushing the rules to the n'th degree and beyond...

 - Peter Ogden

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Byron John Forbe

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Byron John Forbe » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:44:44

   You're not really counting that as a "Bathurst" win are you Bruce?


Bruce Kennewel

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:52:07

Why not?
Let's look at the facts:

1) Venue = Mt. Panorama, Bathurst.
2) Event = Endurance motor race.
3) Driver's name = Peter Brock.
4) Finishing Position = 1st.
5) Number of previous first-places in endurance motor races held at Bathurst
= 9.

Yep - I reckon that all adds up to win number 10.

Bruce.



>    You're not really counting that as a "Bathurst" win are you Bruce?



> > They certainly did....a 1-2 finish and the 10th. win at Panorama for
Peter
> > Perfect!

Kasper Kowalsk

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Kasper Kowalsk » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:38:44


There's nothing 'production' about the Monaro, other than its exterior
sheetmetal. Mechanically, it doesnt resemble the Monaro CV8 at all.

I can understand its entry last year, when there was a possibility of it
entering production, but this year??? It makes a mockery of the series, and
is somewhat disrespectful towards the other other competitors that are
following the rules.

KK

Kasper Kowalsk

Bathurst 24-Hours

by Kasper Kowalsk » Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:39:48


A hollow victory. A car that couldn't lose (barring unreliability), that
didn't even conform to the racing series' technical regulations.

KK


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