rec.autos.simulators

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~rallybrat/rallytrophybrat2.avi

Thanks,
Alex

Thanks,
Alex

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Thanks,
Alex

Somebody get this kid a ride...

Seriously, there's people with real world connections in here. Let's make it
happen.

Jan.
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SOOOOO... Since AWD is clearly do-able, I see no reason for someone to make
a 2002 WRC mod for this game. :)

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

Well...maybe not a WRC mod, but a Group N mod definitely! I've been trying
to convert an EVO from Racer, but the RT format is such a headache (they
have their own material types, you group them together in different
Multi/Sub-Objects, the exporter locks up 3dsmax, you have to assign
different textures to pieces of the body that are considered one, guh it's
such a headache)

Thanks,
Alex

Here's me at the one RallyX I did, my 2nd time driving.
It's a medium right to a tightening medium left, but hard to tell so from
the angle:

http://www.millerdelts.com/scrapbook/Jido%20Racing/RallyX%2006-23-200...
8_suby.html

(it's just a FWD Mirage btw, and prettied up for rally rentals. It's really
a slow car, no Evo definitely!)

Thanks,
Alex "hook me up Jan!" Kihurani

Has anyone else noticed the difference between onboard very fast RT
laps, and to a lesser extent other sims, compared to real rally/race car
footage. The sim version looks has much less steering effort and
correction.

I would argue that my onboard laps look much more like real life
footage - just a damn sight slower :(

I seriously wonder if there is an advantage in being bought up on sims
before driving or spending many hours watching onboard video footage. It
does also question just how close our beloved sims are to reality for
these hotlaps, whilst it is possible to adopt a driving style more ain
to reality, just slower.

Again this is no criticism of Alex - he can certainly drive a sim faster
than me an judging from his future in rallyx will be driving RL cars
faster than me (probably is already), more an observation of the
adaptability of the young.

Something to ponder...

Tony

However good the sim gets, to be fast, all a driver can ever do is adapt
their style to be good in _that sim.

It's like learning to drive. Most instructors just teach you how to pass the
test, not how to _drive.

To really be the best, you have to specialise. That'll never change.

Malc.

Well, that's partially true. I'm driving something closer to an N car, not a
WRC car, so weight shifting is more important than steering input, plus I
learned from rally drivers that the fastest way to drive is with the wheel
straight. But also, I'm turning the wheel more than it appears in the video.
The wheel in RT turns about 90 degress max while mine turns about 150 in
each direction. However, in real life, turning the wheel 150 degrees on the
wheel is like turning it almost 300. That's something that took me a few
runs to get used to.

Let's see, well I started driving sims when I was 10. As a 10 year old, I
got to compare my times to 30 year olds. I learned about racing lines,
braking properly, carrying speed, pace (did the first BullRun 1000 :))etc.
Then rally sims came out and when I talked
to rally friends, Ilearned how to do pendulum turns properly, time them
well,
slow down sideways, feel what's fastest, etc. When GPL came along, I learned
how to LFB properly and keep the car on the limit. When I got my FF wheel, I
started to feel how a car would handle. Then, finally, when I hopped in a
real car, I knew everything that I needed to do, but was limited by getting
the correct feel from my ass and learning how to do the steering. The 2nd
time I got in the car (the RallyX) started out a tad rough when I was going
beyond my ability in order to compete, but got better when I could feel the
car much better than I could a sim and push it to its limit. In the
afternoon, I took 5 seconds off the guy who I was sharing the car with and
was 2/3 in the Group 2 rally class (with other rally drivers) the first leg
I was 5/5. (the 2 fastest ones with extremely quick car went home after the
morning session). Overall I was 3/5 and faster than the other guy at the
end, so I was proud of that.

"adaptablility of the young" That's another thing. When racing sims, you
have to adapt to totally different physics engines, not just cars, whenever
you play a different game. In real life, you just have to change cars, yet
the still abide by the same laws of physics. Makes the change seem simple.

Thanks,
Alex

Rally driving is more than just sliding quickly around corners or timing
pendulum turns, it's staying on the road, minimizing mistakes, and going
fastest with the limited knowledge of the road you have.

Thanks,
Alex

This .avi is one of them.

Wise head on young shoulders. I'm going off this young man <G>

Cheers!

Tony