| Doh! Never even LOOKED for it...<sigh> Thanks.
| That thing looks like the later model VW Scirroccos(sp?).
|
| Eldred
| >http://www.racesimcentral.net/
| >Boy, I love DogPile. I can find almost anything with it. LOL
| >> Ok, I give up. What's a Lada?
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> | Doh! Never even LOOKED for it...<sigh> Thanks.
> | That thing looks like the later model VW Scirroccos(sp?).
> |
> | Eldred
> Uncle Fester writes:
> | >http://internations.net/ru/lada/2112/2112.html
> | >Boy, I love DogPile. I can find almost anything with it. LOL
> | >> Ok, I give up. What's a Lada?
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| I don't think they're available new anymore, but you can pick up a used
one
| for about the price of a bar meal ;)
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| Ian P
|
| > Is the "Lada" expensive and why does it get so many posts here?
| > Only being "nosey" :) -Thom_j.
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YUGO :-)
There are three kinds of Yugo: Yugo for USA market, Yugo for exYugoslavia
and Yugo Florida.
About which where you talking about.
To be honest Zastava 101 was far more worse car than Yugo- but still THE
SAME FACTORY.
Dole na-to bombe :-)
BTW. NATO blew Zastava's factory in Kragujevac in 1999. when Serbians went
to kill some Albanians on Kosovo.
Thank you NATO :-)
Dino Besen
Croatia
aid
[snip]
It seems to have been agreed for ages that big slicks and tiny wings
are the way to re-introduce racing (instead of processions) to F1 - so
why isn't Bernie going in that direction?
He must have his reasons...
Jonny
curious
in reply to which:
... and the relevance was... ?
Quoting is good!
Jonny
Ah, thanks - I hadn't realised they were actually "occupying" a slot.
Jonny
> > We all want a return to slick tyres, but has anyone put a
> > consideration into WIDENING the tyres? Ala the late 70's. Two major
> > points to consider.
> > First, the wider tyres would give greater mechanical grip, and a
> > greater percentage of mech. to aero. So obviously a loss of
> downforce
> > will have a smaller impact.
> > Secondly, and mostly overlooked, is the aero DISadvantage of wide
> > tyres. They make up a huge part of the total drag of an F1 car, and
> > thus the top speed attainable will be reduced. So it will actually
> aid
> [snip]
> It seems to have been agreed for ages that big slicks and tiny wings
> are the way to re-introduce racing (instead of processions) to F1 - so
> why isn't Bernie going in that direction?
> He must have his reasons...
> Jonny
> curious
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mark
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mark
> I think the rules should have been left alone in '97. Even though it
> would do what I stated above, the rules really do need changing now.
> They just plain suck.
> Rafe Mc
> >> He suggests more emphasis on wings, not underfloor for aerodynamic
> >> advantage (thus allowing for more slipstreaming, apparently), a
> >> slowdown on the ever-increasing addition of chicanes to existing
> >> tracks (can't see the FIA going for that), stopping rule changes every
> >> year to allow other teams to "catch up"
> >Seems to me the longer they leave a rules package alone, the closer the
cars
> >get. Remember 1997? Williams and Ferrari were the class of the field but
> >McLaren, Jordan and Benneton were not at all far behind.
> >And Damon Hill almost won in an Arrows.
> >-Scott Johnson
> > "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than
> > to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go
> > to watch their school play basketball every Saturday
> > and regard that as their week's exercise."
> > - John F. Kennedy, 1962
I think it's important to not consider one as a substitute for the other.
Because then one may be forsaken. I, for one, am hungry for good old
fashioned competition. The lead changes in Nascar and Indy indicate to me
that there's nothing to it. Anyone can win on the right day. I don't find
that exciting at all. Exactly the opposite, I find it infinitely dull. Idle
entertainment at best.
Modern F1 is not much better. But reduce the commercialism and drivers aids
and racing line obstacles and you'll have something. Eddie Jordan may not
win this year or next, but what about the next? That long term struggle, the
search to find balance between team mates - driver and mechanic and manager.
The lessons hard won. The life's work of the passionate. They're not just
there to win today's race, but also to fulfill a higher purpose, whatever
that may be. (Design, history, art.) That is the payoff to me. That is what
makes it all worthwhile. When Michael and Ferrari brought home the
championship, they did so in a *sport* that I hadn't watched in years. A
dead sport to me. And the elation I felt was unsurpassed. All those years
the Prancing Horse ran to no avail, with great drivers too, and finally...
sweet confirmation. Focus, determination, sweat... to rise above the rest of
the world in pursuit of your art. When Prost passes McLaren... *that* will
be exciting.
Sure, the Nascar and Indy guys got a little of that, but on a much lower
level. The classification provides for that, and we get 400 passes a *race*
in turn. Meaningless.
The worlds fastest drivers, in the worlds fastest cars, on the worlds
fastest race tracks. That doesn't sound so bad, does it? It seemed to work
before. At least, it did for me. I miss Formula 1.
--
"Jean Alesi has just set fastest lap of the race for the second lap in a
row. No mean feat considering that he is the only car on slicks, in a
torrential downpour, and must be traveling at least 1/4 mile further than
anyone else to complete a lap."
(Bob Varsha)
mark
Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
"mark jeangerard"
<They're not just
For a higher purpose? Try for money...to spend somebody else's and make
as much of your own as you can. There is an art to that I guess.
So by compilling several season's of F1, you find it infinately more
satisfying than a single event of Nascar or Cart. You seem to like the
underdog...well there is always Tora Takagi, King Hiro, Memo
Gidley....Certainly the effort put forth by a Penske team is on par with
that of most F1 squads...Having been an F1 owner in the past...He probably
has some idea of the comittment needed. I find F1 facinating, but if there
is a Cart race on at the same time, I watch the cart race and tape the f1.
different strokes...enjoy.
dave henrie
That is what
PAPA DOC
>First, the wider tyres would give greater mechanical grip, and a
>greater percentage of mech. to aero. So obviously a loss of downforce
>will have a smaller impact.
>Secondly, and mostly overlooked, is the aero DISadvantage of wide
>tyres. They make up a huge part of the total drag of an F1 car, and
>thus the top speed attainable will be reduced. So it will actually aid
>safety in one sense. Also, more drag means a greater tow to a
>following driver, and hopefully better overtaking chances. Of course
>the following driver will face a greater problem in faster corners,
>but will have an advantage on the straights, and the balance would
>hopefully lead to overtaking opportunities.
>I personnally believe that the major advances in aero efficiency have
>reduced the tow to such an extent that it is of minimal benefit. The
>following driver has no advantage over the leader, and therefore no
>chance.
>Another take on this would be to continue with grooved tyres, but
>still widen them. Perhaps to maintain the contact patch that existed
>with slicks before, but with a bigger aero penalty.
>Also, the Handford device concept could be used in F1 to upset the
>aero somewhat. They don't want to lose their advertising space, so
>this could be a key ;)I wouldn't think it practical to go to the
>lengths that CART have, but the idea has some merit.
>Rafe Mc
>On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:23:54 -0400, "Klinn"
>>I agree with both your suggestions - no wings, no pit stops - and I also
>>wish F1 would go back to slicks, a wider track if that's beneficial, etc.
>>More mechanical grip, less aerodynamic grip maybe = more chances for
>>overtaking???
>>Probably this would end up with slower cornering speeds (less aero loading)
>>and higher straightaway speeds (less aero drag), making the braking zone
>>longer and more critical.
>>Just my 0.05 Cdn
>> ...Klinn
>>> I think he's right, F1 is getting boring.
>>> Personally I'd ban wings as I think they make it more difficult to
>>> overtake because you can't get too close to the guy in front without
>>> messing up your own air flow.
>>> I would also ban pit-stops, as it just confuses the issue and takes
>>> away empahsis from the driver and puts (some) of it on pit-stop
>>> strategy and how quickly the mechanics can change wheels.
>>> John
