rec.autos.simulators

by **Tony Whitle** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:22:52

Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything about
GPL any more?

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +10.65

by **Joeri Co** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:31:34

Nope!
---
Joeri J. Cox

European Racing League GM - http://drive.to/erl
502 Racing co-founder - http://www.502racing.com

by **Thomas Soerensen** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:54:01

It will fade to a zreo posts about N4 situation in a few days when the
initial hype and rave has transformed into the classic "its not GPL".

Dont worry

All will be back to normal in a few days.

Then we can continue to race GPL and wait for WSC

Thomas

by **markgam** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:47:56

The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for all
the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares? When do you
use trail braking at Daytona? Who cares about shift points at Atlanta?
And Bristol has got to be one of the most boring tracks in existance
(except for Martinsville).

BTW, the graphics of Sears Point are disappointing in N4 compared with
N2/N99/N3. And the elevation changes somehow seem to have been muted.
Plus of course it's that bastardized version of Sears, which is a shadow
of the original course.

I got N4 so I could start figuring out how to import all those great GPL
tracks into the game, so we could have something that approximates to a
Trans Am simulator.

--

Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

by **Vintoo** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:34:48

If you got N4 and can't see much of an improvement over N3 then you must
have picked up the N4 for dummies version. You should take it back and get
the real N4. You will know you have the correct one because on the box it
has a warning: "This game intended for Nascar fans, not mindless idiots with
half a brain who trash games because they can, if you are not a Nascar fan
then you just threw away your money."

> > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
> about
> > GPL any more?

> > --
> > Tony Whitley
> > GPLRank +10.65

> The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for all
> the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
> physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares? When do you
> use trail braking at Daytona? Who cares about shift points at Atlanta?
> And Bristol has got to be one of the most boring tracks in existance
> (except for Martinsville).

> BTW, the graphics of Sears Point are disappointing in N4 compared with
> N2/N99/N3. And the elevation changes somehow seem to have been muted.
> Plus of course it's that bastardized version of Sears, which is a shadow
> of the original course.

> I got N4 so I could start figuring out how to import all those great GPL
> tracks into the game, so we could have something that approximates to a
> Trans Am simulator.

> --

> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

by **Stephen Smit** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:31:15

Good one, Ron!

> I picked up Nascar 4 and played with it last night. Great graphics and
> great physics. I think I played it for about a half hour and remembered
> why I hate Nascar :)

> The whole time I was playing I was thinking how nice it would have been
> if it was GPL 4 instead of Nascar 4.

> Ron.

> > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
about
> > GPL any more?

> > --
> > Tony Whitley
> > GPLRank +10.65

by **markgam** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:43:02

Oh, I feel so chastised.

Get a life, Vintook. I have all the other Papyrus products and I like
NASCAR. I was commenting on the hype surrounding the inclusion of the GPL
engine. The capability to flip a car doesn't make it a gift from the gods.
And they didn't include an in-race save, something for those of us who have
a life.

> If you got N4 and can't see much of an improvement over N3 then you must
> have picked up the N4 for dummies version. You should take it back and get
> the real N4. You will know you have the correct one because on the box it
> has a warning: "This game intended for Nascar fans, not mindless idiots
with
> half a brain who trash games because they can, if you are not a Nascar fan
> then you just threw away your money."

> > > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
> > about
> > > GPL any more?

> > > --
> > > Tony Whitley
> > > GPLRank +10.65

> > The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for all
> > the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
> > physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares? When do you
> > use trail braking at Daytona? Who cares about shift points at Atlanta?
> > And Bristol has got to be one of the most boring tracks in existance
> > (except for Martinsville).

> > BTW, the graphics of Sears Point are disappointing in N4 compared with
> > N2/N99/N3. And the elevation changes somehow seem to have been muted.
> > Plus of course it's that bastardized version of Sears, which is a shadow
> > of the original course.

> > I got N4 so I could start figuring out how to import all those great GPL
> > tracks into the game, so we could have something that approximates to a
> > Trans Am simulator.

> > --

> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/

by **Wolfgang Kronthale** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:38:07

hehe, N4 rulez!

bye, buster33

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:04:23

If you think that the only imrovement with the GPL Engine is the ability to
flip a car, then you are honestly not paying much attention to the game.

The general physics of just driving the car are far and beyond better than
anything in N3.

> Oh, I feel so chastised.

> Get a life, Vintook. I have all the other Papyrus products and I like
> NASCAR. I was commenting on the hype surrounding the inclusion of the GPL
> engine. The capability to flip a car doesn't make it a gift from the gods.
> And they didn't include an in-race save, something for those of us who
have
> a life.

> > If you got N4 and can't see much of an improvement over N3 then you must
> > have picked up the N4 for dummies version. You should take it back and
get
> > the real N4. You will know you have the correct one because on the box
it
> > has a warning: "This game intended for Nascar fans, not mindless idiots
> with
> > half a brain who trash games because they can, if you are not a Nascar
fan
> > then you just threw away your money."

> > > > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
> > > about
> > > > GPL any more?

> > > > --
> > > > Tony Whitley
> > > > GPLRank +10.65

> > > The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for
all
> > > the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
> > > physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares? When do you
> > > use trail braking at Daytona? Who cares about shift points at Atlanta?
> > > And Bristol has got to be one of the most boring tracks in existance
> > > (except for Martinsville).

> > > BTW, the graphics of Sears Point are disappointing in N4 compared with
> > > N2/N99/N3. And the elevation changes somehow seem to have been muted.
> > > Plus of course it's that bastardized version of Sears, which is a
shadow
> > > of the original course.

> > > I got N4 so I could start figuring out how to import all those great
GPL
> > > tracks into the game, so we could have something that approximates to
a
> > > Trans Am simulator.

> > > --

> > > Sent via Deja.com
> > > http://www.deja.com/

by **Roger** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:15:54

Please don't post under the influence of illegal narcotics.

by **Chris Bloo** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:40:10

Give it a day or two.

Chris
--

GPL FD League
http://www.geocities.com/simbokza/gplfd
http://www.egroups.com/group/gplfd
Simbok Racing
www.geocities.com/simbokza

Remove _your_clothes before replying

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.214 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16-Nov-00

by **Chris Bloo** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:41:31

Hey! I would be happy if it was GPL 2! Let alone GPL 4!

Chris

--

GPL FD League
http://www.geocities.com/simbokza/gplfd
http://www.egroups.com/group/gplfd
Simbok Racing
www.geocities.com/simbokza

Remove _your_clothes before replying

> I picked up Nascar 4 and played with it last night. Great graphics and
> great physics. I think I played it for about a half hour and remembered
> why I hate Nascar :)

> The whole time I was playing I was thinking how nice it would have been
> if it was GPL 4 instead of Nascar 4.

> Ron.

> > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
about
> > GPL any more?

> > --
> > Tony Whitley
> > GPLRank +10.65

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.214 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16-Nov-00

by **Vintoo** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:45:52

I also have a life but I also have enough brains to see that N4 is nothing
like N3. You probably think GP3 was a huge leap forward over GP2 too and
that it's graphics are awesome.
Vintook

> Oh, I feel so chastised.

> Get a life, Vintook. I have all the other Papyrus products and I like
> NASCAR. I was commenting on the hype surrounding the inclusion of the GPL
> engine. The capability to flip a car doesn't make it a gift from the gods.
> And they didn't include an in-race save, something for those of us who
have
> a life.

> > If you got N4 and can't see much of an improvement over N3 then you must
> > have picked up the N4 for dummies version. You should take it back and
get
> > the real N4. You will know you have the correct one because on the box
it
> > has a warning: "This game intended for Nascar fans, not mindless idiots
> with
> > half a brain who trash games because they can, if you are not a Nascar
fan
> > then you just threw away your money."

> > > > Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4, Nascar 4. Doesn't anyone post anything
> > > about
> > > > GPL any more?

> > > > --
> > > > Tony Whitley
> > > > GPLRank +10.65

> > > The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for
all
> > > the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
> > > physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares? When do you
> > > use trail braking at Daytona? Who cares about shift points at Atlanta?
> > > And Bristol has got to be one of the most boring tracks in existance
> > > (except for Martinsville).

> > > BTW, the graphics of Sears Point are disappointing in N4 compared with
> > > N2/N99/N3. And the elevation changes somehow seem to have been muted.
> > > Plus of course it's that bastardized version of Sears, which is a
shadow
> > > of the original course.

> > > I got N4 so I could start figuring out how to import all those great
GPL
> > > tracks into the game, so we could have something that approximates to
a
> > > Trans Am simulator.

> > > --

> > > Sent via Deja.com
> > > http://www.deja.com/

by **markgam** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:15:29

Heavens, no. GP3, except for the weather effects, is just an evolutionary
step from GP2.

I'm not saying that N4 doesn't have all these new physics, I'm just saying
that it's a bit wasted on the ovals. For the more casual player (and that is
all I am representing here, not the Ph.D. types), running Daytona in N4
isn't a revolutionary change from running it in N3 using the demo handed out
at the track last year. Yes, it looks prettier, and there is more "feel" to
it, but it's not something completely new.

And my big gripe is the lack of in-race saves. I have a friend who so looked
forward to this game, but he was crushed to find out that there wasn't a
save. He loves to run the full length races, and using N3 he would run them
a bit here and there, since he has a wife and kids and all that. With N4
there is no way he can do that.

I guess I was really just bummed out that a feature that was patched into N2
and was there for N3 and N99 didn't make it into N4. That's such a shame.

Sorry if it was starting to sound personal, Vintook. Have a virtual Miller
Lite on me over at Rusty's courtesy tent. Watch out for Penske, though.
He'll have you buying stock in his company. He's quite a salesman!

BTW, I will be down at Daytona again this year. I was there last year when
Bodine put his truck up into the catch fencing. Luckily we were over at the
pit entrance, but it looked pretty scary from there, too.

by **ymenar** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:07:09

> The newness will wear off soon and then people will realize that for all
> the hype, it's not all that much of an improvement over N3. Yes, the
> physics engine is now GPL-like, but on an oval, who cares?

What are you, a newbie? This newsgroup was for years principally supported
by the stockcar simracing community and still is. Wake up, it's a Papyrus
simulator and will be implanted in us for years as GPL was. It won't "wear
off". Heck N2/N3 never weared off either they have a community ten, twenty
times bigger then the GPL one.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.