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Project Wildfire

Steve Smit

Project Wildfire

by Steve Smit » Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:28:01

Or Eliza Dushku into Kathy Bates.


Alan

Project Wildfire

by Alan » Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:46:32


Grrr, It must be that "horses for courses" thing again, but I *want*
Vauxhalls round Snetterton for a mod.

If Goy get's his way I'm going to spend the next n* years spamming RAS with
"BTCC!" in reply to every mod/sim announced :P

Alan.

*(where n is however necessary)

Dave Henri

Project Wildfire

by Dave Henri » Sun, 08 Jun 2003 23:52:37



   I'd guess the top one is a Trans Am Jaguar.

   What?  A thousand Horsepower Qualifying motor?  Wings?  Downforce, a
Jedi needs not these things.  Of course I will need them and more.  :)
dave henrie

Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:18:42


> Great "rice" (as the Ozzies might say) between Larry Perkins & Peter Brock,
> but then...it ends 6 laps into a 160-lap race.  Hey, where's the rest of it?

This is from a 3 tape set called "History of Bathurst" or something like
that, which covers every race up until 98 or something like that, so
there's not much coverage from each race, and not all of it is that good
either compared to what you'd expect today, but as a history lesson it's
quite enjoyable, especially those early races when they raced Lotus
Cortinas, Mini's and you name it, and the bigger cars didn't stand a
chance and the saying was that the V8 cars where too big for Bathurst,
you needed a small and nimble car :-)

Oh how the times have changed :-), I especially remember one scene in
there where, if memory serves me right, there's a Studebaker coming in
for a pit stop, and at this particular stop they refuel, remove the
wheels, inspect the brakes and then put the same wheels back on.....:-)

In short, the rest of that race coverage is pretty boring, but I may be
able to locate a complete on board lap

I'll see if I can find one, but I can't remember there being one really,
but I'm sure there's one to be found somewhere

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

Project Wildfire

by Goy Larse » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:34:34


> Dave,

> What is that top one?  A Mazda?  

Close....it's a Mustang :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Nick

Project Wildfire

by Nick » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:31:44




> > It is kinda like TOCA except it's a lot more fun than watching Vauxhalls
> > drive around Snetterton. I saw the V8 Supercars at Adelaide and it was
> truly
> > mesmerising.

> > Nick

> Grrr, It must be that "horses for courses" thing again, but I *want*
> Vauxhalls round Snetterton for a mod.

> If Goy get's his way I'm going to spend the next n* years spamming RAS
with
> "BTCC!" in reply to every mod/sim announced :P

Well, a 1996/7 BTCC mod would be fantastic, back when the Lagunas, Alfas,
Audis, Volvos et al were at their best. Before TOCA screwed up. The same
season that's in the original TOCA Touring Car Championship from (urrgh)
Codemasters. But if it wasn't for the Honda Civic Type-R's, I wouldn't even
watch this season.

I'm planning on starting a "CART!" reply to all those questions, so lets
fight for it? Should look something like this:

Aussie V8s! - Goy
BTCC! - You
CART! - Me

and we'll probably get some monkey shouting "NASCAR!"

Mike Donnelly J

Project Wildfire

by Mike Donnelly J » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:03:09

On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:20:18 -0500, William Bradshaw

What is Dirt to Daytona?  I've never heard of it.

Mike Donnelly J

Project Wildfire

by Mike Donnelly J » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:09:01

Oh, they could run the roadies, but that's not what they're built for.
Oval racing is my passion.  There's a few roadies that I like, Long
Beach, Cleveland, Laguna Seca (awesome corkscrew -  I doubt the F1
crowd would ever consider attempting that!).  Mosport is interesting,
though.  But I find that most road series tend to be parade type
racing.  It seems to me if you want to eliminate the inordinate amount
of blocking, you'd have to widen most courses to the point that
blocking becomes impractical - staving off one guy means that another
will pass the both of you.  Cleveland excells at making blocking
irrelevant.  In fendered series, there's a time honored way of
preventing such tactics.  :)

Pretty much sums up my feelings about road courses.  I feel the same
way about 'single line ovals' as well.

Mike

On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:23:45 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>No, you guys are flat-out WRONG!  The *idea* of them on road courses is
>almost unthinkable, but the reality is that they went like stink at the
>Glen...and looked right at home (if ***ugly) doing it.  I got the
>impression that they were oversized Formula Vs, with monster motors and
>earth-mover tires.  They stayed planted four-square on the line while
>leaving streaks at the exit of every corner.  They were even stable under
>braking.  They sound was hellacious.  And best of all, you could look thru
>all the tubing and see the drivers at work.  Lemme tell you, they were BUSY!




>> > I'll take the Featherlite mods, but you *have* to have the ovals for
>> > them!  :)  Racing the mods on nothing but road courses is like having
>> > ***sex, it beats nothing, but it's still not the  real thing.  It's
>> > a great series.  Powerful cars, lightweight, low CG, wide wheelbase
>> > and wide tires.  Little wonder they can outperform WC cars...

>> > Mike

>> Yup. I've never driven a real one, only a virtual one in a sim. At
>> first, I was pretty hestitant about driving 'em. But any doubt I had
>> quickly vanished when I realized how fast and stable those cars can be
>> (thanks to the tires and wheelbase) unless you just plain abuse 'em. I
>> found myself really worrying less about tire wear and more on racing (I
>> still want to try the Aggressive AI option) and fuel management. :)

>> I couldn't imagine racing those cars on anything but ovals. If you get a
>> chance, rent Dirt to Daytona and do a race at Richmond and a few other
>> ovals. It's a riot! Just a damn shame we didn't get to race 'em on dirt.

>> -Will

Bruce Kennewel

Project Wildfire

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:04:16

NASCAR!

:)

Bruce.

Bruce Kennewel

Project Wildfire

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:25:00

Goy,
I'm unaware as to your knowledge of the history of this race so please
forgive me if I appear patronising.

It wasn't that the V8's were "too big for Bathurst".....it was that the V8's
back then, what there were, didn't have disc brakes and, although they
powered UP the hill, they didn't fare too well coming DOWN!
So it was that the Minis and Lotus Cortinas did well.

This was in the period when the racing was for stock, off-the-showroom-floor
cars, of course, with the only changes allowed essentially being the
blueprinting of the engines.
This was also just before the onset of competition between Ford (Falcon GT),
GM-H (Monaro) and Chrysler (Charger), i.e., about 1966. Ford introduced its
GT in the 1967 race, from memory.

The Studebaker's to which you refer were more often than not entered by the
Victorian Police - they used them for pursuit vehicles. As I mentioned
above, they went like stink for a while until they just ran out of brakes,
whilst the less powerful cars, although also running on drums, didn't
destroy brake linings and drums as quickly.

The years 1966 (the year the Mini Coopers won) through to around 1980 or
there-abouts were the best years, in my opinion. Our equivalent of your
wonderful Trans-Am series, in effect.
This is the period which I would love to see simulated - using the original
(GPL) version of Mt. Panorama and a mixed array of cars, including the Big
Three plus Alfa Romeo, British Leyland, Jaguar et al.

In '83 the "Class" system was dropped, the "Group" system introduced and it
went downhill from there to the point where we now just have racing between
two manufacturers for cars which bear no resemblance to those driven on the
street - a far cry from its origins.

Ahhh - memories! :)
Bruce.


when they raced Lotus Cortinas, Mini's and you name it, and the bigger cars
didn't stand a chance and the saying was that the V8 cars where too big for
Bathurst, you needed a small and nimble car :-)

Nick

Project Wildfire

by Nick » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:24:18


I just knew that was going to happen! :-D

Goy Larse

Project Wildfire

by Goy Larse » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:32:24


> Goy,
> I'm unaware as to your knowledge of the history of this race so please
> forgive me if I appear patronising.

Hmmmph, do you think one gets nominated honorary Aussie around here
without having at least *some* knowledge about the history of the great
race ?

:-)

I love those tapes, and I love the changes that happened over the years,
there's an interview there with Peter Brock where he talks about the
first time he raced a V8 there and was told not to use the brakes for
slowing down, he was to scrub off speed by sliding the car into the
corners.....and that bit about them putting the same set of tyres back
on after a brake service is just totally weird in comparison to what
would happen during a pit stop today

I too hope there will be some historic mods coming out of all this,
well, I know there is at least one as Jan has already spilled the beans
on that one so I'm not revealing any great secrets there, but a historic
touring car sim from the 60's and a sports car sim from the 50's and
60's would be very high on my list....right after the AussieV8 !!! mod
is done of course :-)

I'm sure....did you actually attend the very first Bathurst Bruce ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Dave Henri

Project Wildfire

by Dave Henri » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:54:45



> On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:20:18 -0500, William Bradshaw

> What is Dirt to Daytona?  I've never heard of it.

   The console sequel to Nascar Heat.  You have I think four different
types of cars to race starting with dirt track modified, going through the
Craftsmen trucks and finishng with Winston Cup.  I'm sure a little
searching with google will provide you with plenty of info.
dave henrie
Bruce Kennewel

Project Wildfire

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:40:42

Nope....the very first Bathurst race was back in the 1930's, I think. I'm
not THAT old, even if some people here believed (back in 1998) that I was in
my eighties! :)
(I'm actually 57 - which is pretty close to 80, I must admit).

My one and only visit to a Bathurst race was the year (1966, I think ... or
'65. I can't remember exactly) that the Mini Coopers finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd,
4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th.
Total obliteration of the Ford Cortinas - and all else - by the British
Motor Corporation and the last time that the outright winner was a
4-cylinder car. It is in the Motor Racing Museum at Mt. Panorama and I was
able to actually touch it a couple of weekends back! :)

Regards,
Bruce.

Steve Smit

Project Wildfire

by Steve Smit » Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:24:45

Thx, Goy!



> > Great "rice" (as the Ozzies might say) between Larry Perkins & Peter
Brock,
> > but then...it ends 6 laps into a 160-lap race.  Hey, where's the rest of
it?

> This is from a 3 tape set called "History of Bathurst" or something like
> that, which covers every race up until 98 or something like that, so
> there's not much coverage from each race, and not all of it is that good
> either compared to what you'd expect today, but as a history lesson it's
> quite enjoyable, especially those early races when they raced Lotus
> Cortinas, Mini's and you name it, and the bigger cars didn't stand a
> chance and the saying was that the V8 cars where too big for Bathurst,
> you needed a small and nimble car :-)

> Oh how the times have changed :-), I especially remember one scene in
> there where, if memory serves me right, there's a Studebaker coming in
> for a pit stop, and at this particular stop they refuel, remove the
> wheels, inspect the brakes and then put the same wheels back on.....:-)

> In short, the rest of that race coverage is pretty boring, but I may be
> able to locate a complete on board lap

> > And do you have an in-car lap, preferably in the dry?

> I'll see if I can find one, but I can't remember there being one really,
> but I'm sure there's one to be found somewhere

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--


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