Grrr, It must be that "horses for courses" thing again, but I *want*
Vauxhalls round Snetterton for a mod.
If Goy get's his way I'm going to spend the next n* years spamming RAS with
"BTCC!" in reply to every mod/sim announced :P
Alan.
*(where n is however necessary)
I'd guess the top one is a Trans Am Jaguar.
What? A thousand Horsepower Qualifying motor? Wings? Downforce, a
Jedi needs not these things. Of course I will need them and more. :)
dave henrie
> Great "rice" (as the Ozzies might say) between Larry Perkins & Peter Brock,
> but then...it ends 6 laps into a 160-lap race. Hey, where's the rest of it?
Oh how the times have changed :-), I especially remember one scene in
there where, if memory serves me right, there's a Studebaker coming in
for a pit stop, and at this particular stop they refuel, remove the
wheels, inspect the brakes and then put the same wheels back on.....:-)
In short, the rest of that race coverage is pretty boring, but I may be
able to locate a complete on board lap
I'll see if I can find one, but I can't remember there being one really,
but I'm sure there's one to be found somewhere
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> Dave,
> What is that top one? A Mazda?
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> > It is kinda like TOCA except it's a lot more fun than watching Vauxhalls
> > drive around Snetterton. I saw the V8 Supercars at Adelaide and it was
> truly
> > mesmerising.
> > Nick
> Grrr, It must be that "horses for courses" thing again, but I *want*
> Vauxhalls round Snetterton for a mod.
> If Goy get's his way I'm going to spend the next n* years spamming RAS
with
> "BTCC!" in reply to every mod/sim announced :P
I'm planning on starting a "CART!" reply to all those questions, so lets
fight for it? Should look something like this:
Aussie V8s! - Goy
BTCC! - You
CART! - Me
and we'll probably get some monkey shouting "NASCAR!"
What is Dirt to Daytona? I've never heard of it.
Pretty much sums up my feelings about road courses. I feel the same
way about 'single line ovals' as well.
Mike
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:23:45 GMT, "Steve Smith"
>> > I'll take the Featherlite mods, but you *have* to have the ovals for
>> > them! :) Racing the mods on nothing but road courses is like having
>> > ***sex, it beats nothing, but it's still not the real thing. It's
>> > a great series. Powerful cars, lightweight, low CG, wide wheelbase
>> > and wide tires. Little wonder they can outperform WC cars...
>> > Mike
>> Yup. I've never driven a real one, only a virtual one in a sim. At
>> first, I was pretty hestitant about driving 'em. But any doubt I had
>> quickly vanished when I realized how fast and stable those cars can be
>> (thanks to the tires and wheelbase) unless you just plain abuse 'em. I
>> found myself really worrying less about tire wear and more on racing (I
>> still want to try the Aggressive AI option) and fuel management. :)
>> I couldn't imagine racing those cars on anything but ovals. If you get a
>> chance, rent Dirt to Daytona and do a race at Richmond and a few other
>> ovals. It's a riot! Just a damn shame we didn't get to race 'em on dirt.
>> -Will
:)
Bruce.
It wasn't that the V8's were "too big for Bathurst".....it was that the V8's
back then, what there were, didn't have disc brakes and, although they
powered UP the hill, they didn't fare too well coming DOWN!
So it was that the Minis and Lotus Cortinas did well.
This was in the period when the racing was for stock, off-the-showroom-floor
cars, of course, with the only changes allowed essentially being the
blueprinting of the engines.
This was also just before the onset of competition between Ford (Falcon GT),
GM-H (Monaro) and Chrysler (Charger), i.e., about 1966. Ford introduced its
GT in the 1967 race, from memory.
The Studebaker's to which you refer were more often than not entered by the
Victorian Police - they used them for pursuit vehicles. As I mentioned
above, they went like stink for a while until they just ran out of brakes,
whilst the less powerful cars, although also running on drums, didn't
destroy brake linings and drums as quickly.
The years 1966 (the year the Mini Coopers won) through to around 1980 or
there-abouts were the best years, in my opinion. Our equivalent of your
wonderful Trans-Am series, in effect.
This is the period which I would love to see simulated - using the original
(GPL) version of Mt. Panorama and a mixed array of cars, including the Big
Three plus Alfa Romeo, British Leyland, Jaguar et al.
In '83 the "Class" system was dropped, the "Group" system introduced and it
went downhill from there to the point where we now just have racing between
two manufacturers for cars which bear no resemblance to those driven on the
street - a far cry from its origins.
Ahhh - memories! :)
Bruce.
when they raced Lotus Cortinas, Mini's and you name it, and the bigger cars
didn't stand a chance and the saying was that the V8 cars where too big for
Bathurst, you needed a small and nimble car :-)
I just knew that was going to happen! :-D
> Goy,
> I'm unaware as to your knowledge of the history of this race so please
> forgive me if I appear patronising.
:-)
I love those tapes, and I love the changes that happened over the years,
there's an interview there with Peter Brock where he talks about the
first time he raced a V8 there and was told not to use the brakes for
slowing down, he was to scrub off speed by sliding the car into the
corners.....and that bit about them putting the same set of tyres back
on after a brake service is just totally weird in comparison to what
would happen during a pit stop today
I too hope there will be some historic mods coming out of all this,
well, I know there is at least one as Jan has already spilled the beans
on that one so I'm not revealing any great secrets there, but a historic
touring car sim from the 60's and a sports car sim from the 50's and
60's would be very high on my list....right after the AussieV8 !!! mod
is done of course :-)
I'm sure....did you actually attend the very first Bathurst Bruce ?
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> What is Dirt to Daytona? I've never heard of it.
My one and only visit to a Bathurst race was the year (1966, I think ... or
'65. I can't remember exactly) that the Mini Coopers finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd,
4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th.
Total obliteration of the Ford Cortinas - and all else - by the British
Motor Corporation and the last time that the outright winner was a
4-cylinder car. It is in the Motor Racing Museum at Mt. Panorama and I was
able to actually touch it a couple of weekends back! :)
Regards,
Bruce.
> > Great "rice" (as the Ozzies might say) between Larry Perkins & Peter
Brock,
> > but then...it ends 6 laps into a 160-lap race. Hey, where's the rest of
it?
> This is from a 3 tape set called "History of Bathurst" or something like
> that, which covers every race up until 98 or something like that, so
> there's not much coverage from each race, and not all of it is that good
> either compared to what you'd expect today, but as a history lesson it's
> quite enjoyable, especially those early races when they raced Lotus
> Cortinas, Mini's and you name it, and the bigger cars didn't stand a
> chance and the saying was that the V8 cars where too big for Bathurst,
> you needed a small and nimble car :-)
> Oh how the times have changed :-), I especially remember one scene in
> there where, if memory serves me right, there's a Studebaker coming in
> for a pit stop, and at this particular stop they refuel, remove the
> wheels, inspect the brakes and then put the same wheels back on.....:-)
> In short, the rest of that race coverage is pretty boring, but I may be
> able to locate a complete on board lap
> > And do you have an in-car lap, preferably in the dry?
> I'll see if I can find one, but I can't remember there being one really,
> but I'm sure there's one to be found somewhere
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"
> http://www.theuspits.com
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--