rec.autos.simulators

>> In 2005 in California ALONE their were 2503 ***s (but thats ok if
>> youre a fn lefty).  57 Troops killed in Iraq during the same time frame.
>> The hypocrisy is sickening.
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> I'm guessing that these numbers are taken to be the best that you can come
> up with.  What are the numbers for 2006?  American soldier deaths in Iraq
> began to rise after the period you speak of.  I think that if you look at
> any country at war, you might see the same kinds of data.

>> These numbers can be directly attributed to the liberal policies of
>> California politicians for the past 30+ years.

> Nice to say, but you give no supporting information.  Are you implying
> that if the Death Penalty were institued, that these numbers of ***s
> would be substantially decreased (overall, I don't think research has
> supported the deterrent effect of the Death Penalty)?

> How about some hard facts on these policies and their effect on the rise
> of ***s in California.

>> Politically speaking the entire left wing media has done very well hiding
>> these numbers all the while SCREAMING that the war in Iraq is a total
>> failure.  Pure political rhetoric (emotion based) by the same bunch of
>> loser flower children that lost theVietnam war which directly caused
>> millions of Vietnamese deaths.

> This is an old argument.  I think you lose some of the force of your
> contention when you use the world "liberal".  It makes it appear that you
> are another crazed lunatic from the fringe right spouting off without any
> real factual foundation.

> Oh-- you're blaming the Vietnam war on the people?  Not hardly the case.
> More likely unpreparedness of the armed services, no idea of the enemy,
> poor planning, and squeamishness was the real reason for the loss.  What
> was true in Vietnam is true with Iraq.  The Bush Administration had no
> plan for Iraq, except for vengenace against Saddam and grabbing the oil in
> order to spread the wealth internally.

>> Illegal aliens alone have committed more *** against Americans than
>> in 3 years than the terrorists in Iraq but you sure wont hear that from
>> the NY or LA Times.

> I see.  Could you give some hard facts?  "Committing ***" is an
> awfully loose term.  How do you define it and what facts do you have to
> support your supposition?

>> Pull your heads out of your asses before its too late....

>> At some point the entire left wing will be held accountable.  Sedition
>> comes to mind...

> It's always common to blame others.  Let's face it, this idea of the
> so-called "left-wing" being responsible for the failure of the war is
> pedestrian.  Aren't Americans responsible-- left, right, and center?  And
> of this wide spectrum, isn't the Bush Administration of primary
> responsibility? The Buck does stop at the president's desk.  All
> politicians and policy makers-- no matter the slant-- are responsible.
> But the Commander in Chief is the leader and is responsible for those
> below him, and so bears the largest responsibility for the failure.

> Alanb

> Note: Recently, Emperor-to-be Chavez announced that he is confiscating the
> Venezuelan media, telecommunications companies, oil companies, banks etc.
> and placing them under his personal control. He has also rewritten the
> Venezuelan constitution to allow him to take total control of the country
> and has even gone so far as to set himself up as the leader of Venezuela's
> church. With newly proposed anti-free speech and other
> communistically-inspired bills, the now-back-in-power leftist Democrats are
> attempting to affect much the same in the United States. Reps Dennis
> Kucinich (D-OH) and Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) are diligently working to bring
> back the falsely named "fairness doctrine" in an attempt to control or
> completely shut down conservative talk-radio and other conservative media.
> If passed, this dogma would force conservatives to include the leftist point
> of view on their programs-and, presumably, in written commentary. As
> leftists already control the lion's share of the current media, this would
> be anathema and an extremely effective way to silence the left's opposition
> voices

>>> In 2005 in California ALONE their were 2503 ***s (but thats ok if
>>> youre a fn lefty).  57 Troops killed in Iraq during the same time frame.
>>> The hypocrisy is sickening.
>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> I'm guessing that these numbers are taken to be the best that you can
>> come up with.  What are the numbers for 2006?  American soldier deaths in
>> Iraq began to rise after the period you speak of.  I think that if you
>> look at any country at war, you might see the same kinds of data.

>>> These numbers can be directly attributed to the liberal policies of
>>> California politicians for the past 30+ years.

>> Nice to say, but you give no supporting information.  Are you implying
>> that if the Death Penalty were institued, that these numbers of ***s
>> would be substantially decreased (overall, I don't think research has
>> supported the deterrent effect of the Death Penalty)?

>> How about some hard facts on these policies and their effect on the rise
>> of ***s in California.

>>> Politically speaking the entire left wing media has done very well
>>> hiding these numbers all the while SCREAMING that the war in Iraq is a
>>> total failure.  Pure political rhetoric (emotion based) by the same
>>> bunch of loser flower children that lost theVietnam war which directly
>>> caused millions of Vietnamese deaths.

>> This is an old argument.  I think you lose some of the force of your
>> contention when you use the world "liberal".  It makes it appear that you
>> are another crazed lunatic from the fringe right spouting off without any
>> real factual foundation.

>> Oh-- you're blaming the Vietnam war on the people?  Not hardly the case.
>> More likely unpreparedness of the armed services, no idea of the enemy,
>> poor planning, and squeamishness was the real reason for the loss.  What
>> was true in Vietnam is true with Iraq.  The Bush Administration had no
>> plan for Iraq, except for vengenace against Saddam and grabbing the oil
>> in order to spread the wealth internally.

>>> Illegal aliens alone have committed more *** against Americans than
>>> in 3 years than the terrorists in Iraq but you sure wont hear that from
>>> the NY or LA Times.

>> I see.  Could you give some hard facts?  "Committing ***" is an
>> awfully loose term.  How do you define it and what facts do you have to
>> support your supposition?

>>> Pull your heads out of your asses before its too late....

>>> At some point the entire left wing will be held accountable.  Sedition
>>> comes to mind...

>> It's always common to blame others.  Let's face it, this idea of the
>> so-called "left-wing" being responsible for the failure of the war is
>> pedestrian.  Aren't Americans responsible-- left, right, and center?  And
>> of this wide spectrum, isn't the Bush Administration of primary
>> responsibility? The Buck does stop at the president's desk.  All
>> politicians and policy makers-- no matter the slant-- are responsible.
>> But the Commander in Chief is the leader and is responsible for those
>> below him, and so bears the largest responsibility for the failure.

>> Alanb

>> I really can't see any reason not to do that?

>> Well I can see one reason; if you want to divide a population to maintain
>> deeply unjust structures and social images, letting the few control the
>> wealth would be an excellenet idea.

>> Sometimes, when I discuss things with americans, I tend to fall back to
>> one single term: "Civilization". What does civilization mean, really? What
>> separates us from animals is the ability to take care of those who cannot
>> take care of themselves.

> This Mitch guy is a real ideas lunatic.  In the same breath, he frets over
> this free speech, free market stuff while at the same time being told how to
> think by FOX news and other such conservative radio show conglomerates.  His
> rhetoric has been hard-wired, leaving no room for his mind to consider
> alternate ideologies.  Like some huge volcano he erupts with these worn out
> ideas of communist infiltration and left-wing conspiracies while at the same
> time being unable to recover from the ashes of stagnant thinking.

> Alan