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Paul Carillon Jr

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by Paul Carillon Jr » Mon, 05 May 1997 04:00:00

Well Robert confronted me tonight on Hawaii about my remarks made about
him, which he more than likely didnt care for,so we went and raced at
Richmond  for a challenge race and I finished second to him.He has put
me in my place :).Congrates to Huggins on a good race.

Paul Carillon

bl00

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by bl00 » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00


Hey Paul, your not the only one! :>

He ran a ACE setup race with us on Saturday night at Michigan. He out
qualified the field by 5mph and after 4-5 laps him and another driver
were no where to be seen. So we all ran the 3rd spot. Kinda takes the
fun out of a "IROC" style race :>

Kev
bl00d on Hawaii

Dana Baile

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by Dana Baile » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00



> >Well Robert confronted me tonight on Hawaii about my remarks made about
> >him, which he more than likely didnt care for,so we went and raced at
> >Richmond  for a challenge race and I finished second to him.He has put
> >me in my place :).Congrates to Huggins on a good race.

> Hey Paul, your not the only one! :>

> He ran a ACE setup race with us on Saturday night at Michigan. He out
> qualified the field by 5mph and after 4-5 laps him and another driver
> were no where to be seen. So we all ran the 3rd spot. Kinda takes the
> fun out of a "IROC" style race :>

> Kev
> bl00d on Hawaii

This whole RHuggins cheating thing makes me laugh.  There are many
people on Hawaii, at least there used to be when I raced on it, that are
just as fast or faster than RHuggins.  I for one have never had
difficulty staying ahead of RHuggins any time I raced with him, except
at Talledega.  The level of competition on Hawaii must be pretty low now
if RHuggins is standing out as a *** force.  I must believe that
the majority of remaining Hawaii competitors are inexperienced Nascar
novices.  Bob has spent many, many hours working on setups and learning
the exact fast lines around the tracks.  He is a skilled driver and
above all a determined competitor.  A few months ago there were many
like him on Hawaii, it seems like whiners are all that's left.  You
can't expect to compete with him unless you put in considerable time
developing your skills.  It is like comparing yourself to a Busch Grand
National driver after a day at the local go kart track.  

Dana Bailes

"If your not cheating your just not trying hard enough."
"There are cheaters and there are losers."

Dana Baile

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by Dana Baile » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00



> Dana,

> Tell me where in this post did I or Paul mention the word cheating! Go
> ahead... look it over... Yup, it was never mentioned and never
> implied.



> >> >Well Robert confronted me tonight on Hawaii about my remarks made about
> >> >him, which he more than likely didnt care for,so we went and raced at
> >> >Richmond  for a challenge race and I finished second to him.He has put
> >> >me in my place :).Congrates to Huggins on a good race.

> >> Hey Paul, your not the only one! :>

> >> He ran a ACE setup race with us on Saturday night at Michigan. He out
> >> qualified the field by 5mph and after 4-5 laps him and another driver
> >> were no where to be seen. So we all ran the 3rd spot. Kinda takes the
> >> fun out of a "IROC" style race :>

> >> Kev
> >> bl00d on Hawaii

Well then what did Robert confront Paul about and why did they have a
challenge race.  I know it may have looked like it but I didn't mean to
imply that you were a bad racer or a whiner.  Judging by you previous
comment you have fairly judged that yourself.  It was a general
statement defending Robert and anyone else who is accused of cheating.
Sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

Dana Bailes

Robert Plattt

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by Robert Plattt » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00

Dana Bring it on there Bud I will smoke your ass ok.I'm no whiner myself
and there is alot of great competition still on Hawaii. I have been on
Hawaii for over a year now and when I first came on I could run anything
but Dega and I couldn't do that fast enough to run with the leaders but
with a little help and a whole lot of practice I came to be one of the best
at Dega.Aswell now with alot more practice and little more help I have
became one of the best at the other tracks aswell.I thought I was great
when I started turning laps of 198 in qual and 199 without draft at
Dega.Until I started going to the other tracks and started getting faster
at them.Now I run 188 to 190 mph laps at Atl,181 to 184 mph laps at
Darlington,192 to 195 mph laps at Michigan,184 to 187 mph laps at
C***te,and 131 to 134 mph laps at Bristol.As a matter of fact I suprised
alot of Short track regulars at Bristol the other night when I took the
pole with a 133.9 mph lap I believe which isn't the fastest or my
fastest.But I am manily known and alot of people think of me as a
Superspeedway driver only.Which they said I showed them different.So when
ever you want to come onto Hawaii just look for my ID GT86 and I'll show
you what the competition is like ok pal.

Have a nice day

Robert
GT86



>>  The level of competition on Hawaii must be pretty low now
>>if RHuggins is standing out as a *** force.

>I wouldn't go as far to say that.

>>I must believe that
>>the majority of remaining Hawaii competitors are inexperienced Nascar
>>novices.

>Ditto.

>> it seems like whiners are all that's left.

>Maybe you should pop in again sometime :)

brand..

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by brand.. » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00



I wouldn't go as far to say that.

Ditto.

Maybe you should pop in again sometime :)

Brad Dawso

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by Brad Dawso » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00

Real good

184 to 187 mph laps at

Not super fast

Still a very nice qual run I'd take it.

Hey Robert Glad to see you sticking up for Huggins now I knew you'd come
around! I hope all the hard feelings are over now? If you can do 199 by
your self at dega youd pull away from many 2 car drafts all by your
self.

I was in the ACE pickup that Bl00d spoke of huggins qual 187 Cobra97 (I
think, bet you like that name, I think he has others?) was 185 and I was
183.9xx in 3rd. I made a joke that I was the best of the rest, well who
ever was in 4th ran over me in the first turn. I think watching Huggins
vanish over the horrizon was a lot more satisfying for bl00d than my
experience in that race. As for Dana who I think is a pretty good racer,
the one thing you over looked is the fact that Huggins is getting faster
and faster all the time you are correct about his hard work. Just like
Mr Robert Platts says people think of GT86 as a "dega rat" now he is a
"fast guy" at many tracks. Huggins is fast and now faster. I race with
Marshall Croft and Mike Lentz, Mark Biello every week too, and I dont
think the level of compition is dropping, quite the contrary. If you
have been off Hawaii for a while I suggest that you should get back on .
Becasue your perception of what is fast may be out of calibration.

Mr Robert Platts makes a decent argument that he could beat you and he
he admits that huggins can whip him. So Huggins really is "all that".

Hes kinda like Jeff Gordon in that he wins all the time, doesnt
apologize for it.. and people dont like him because of that.

Hey Robert Platts by the way I really hope you can get over what ever
hard fellings are around or whatever this is about. The other night I
tried to get in line in a Dega pickup and although in my mirror I was
clear there was contact and bunch of guys, includeing you,  got messed
up because of it. (maybe the latency on hawaii can cause problems some
time?) I apologized to you and everyone and I do again. Anyway you
seemed real steamed at me cause you were saying "Dawson caused that
wreck" "That was Dawson it was his fault" yadda yadda yadda.

Anyway in case you really are worried about me I'll tell you this I have
a tripple digit L/I ratio at EVERY track except Dega (28) Carlotte (61)
Atl (72) and Watkins Glen (16)  with an overall avg of  67.4, 94
incidents total. My other ID is 280 something L/I overall.

I think this is indicative of very safe and considerate driving when
compared to other drivers. If we use say, you, as an example the best
L/I ratio is at Darlington (40) and at Dega (5) and overall (7)
with 1517 total incidents (could be a record there:;->)

Im just trying to say that we should all know shit happens and if you
see me wreck I promise it wont be due to a bone head move okay?

Paul Carillon Jr

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by Paul Carillon Jr » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00


> > when I started turning laps of 198 in qual and 199 without draft at
> > Dega.Until I started going to the other tracks and started getting faster
> > at them.Now I run 188 to 190 mph laps at Atl,181 to 184 mph laps at
> > Darlington,192 to 195 mph laps at Michigan,

> Real good

> 184 to 187 mph laps at

> > C***te,and 131 to 134 mph laps at Bristol.

> Not super fast

> > alot of Short track regulars at Bristol the other night when I took the
> > pole with a 133.9 mph lap I believe which isn't the fastest or my

> > fastest.

> Still a very nice qual run I'd take it.

> Hey Robert Glad to see you sticking up for Huggins now I knew you'd come
> around! I hope all the hard feelings are over now? If you can do 199 by
> your self at dega youd pull away from many 2 car drafts all by your
> self.

> I was in the ACE pickup that Bl00d spoke of huggins qual 187 Cobra97 (I
> think, bet you like that name, I think he has others?) was 185 and I was
> 183.9xx in 3rd. I made a joke that I was the best of the rest, well who
> ever was in 4th ran over me in the first turn. I think watching Huggins
> vanish over the horrizon was a lot more satisfying for bl00d than my
> experience in that race. As for Dana who I think is a pretty good racer,
> the one thing you over looked is the fact that Huggins is getting faster
> and faster all the time you are correct about his hard work. Just like
> Mr Robert Platts says people think of GT86 as a "dega rat" now he is a
> "fast guy" at many tracks. Huggins is fast and now faster. I race with
> Marshall Croft and Mike Lentz, Mark Biello every week too, and I dont
> think the level of compition is dropping, quite the contrary. If you
> have been off Hawaii for a while I suggest that you should get back on .
> Becasue your perception of what is fast may be out of calibration.

> Mr Robert Platts makes a decent argument that he could beat you and he
> he admits that huggins can whip him. So Huggins really is "all that".

> Hes kinda like Jeff Gordon in that he wins all the time, doesnt
> apologize for it.. and people dont like him because of that.

> Hey Robert Platts by the way I really hope you can get over what ever
> hard fellings are around or whatever this is about. The other night I
> tried to get in line in a Dega pickup and although in my mirror I was
> clear there was contact and bunch of guys, includeing you,  got messed
> up because of it. (maybe the latency on hawaii can cause problems some
> time?) I apologized to you and everyone and I do again. Anyway you
> seemed real steamed at me cause you were saying "Dawson caused that
> wreck" "That was Dawson it was his fault" yadda yadda yadda.

> Anyway in case you really are worried about me I'll tell you this I have
> a tripple digit L/I ratio at EVERY track except Dega (28) Carlotte (61)
> Atl (72) and Watkins Glen (16)  with an overall avg of  67.4, 94
> incidents total. My other ID is 280 something L/I overall.

> I think this is indicative of very safe and considerate driving when
> compared to other drivers. If we use say, you, as an example the best
> L/I ratio is at Darlington (40) and at Dega (5) and overall (7)
> with 1517 total incidents (could be a record there:;->)

> Im just trying to say that we should all know shit happens and if you
> see me wreck I promise it wont be due to a bone head move okay?

I will vouch for you Brad you are one of the cleanest racers i haved
raced with and we have had many side by sideraces without incidnet and i
enjoyed every one of them ... oh ya i did nail ya at Pheonix huh :)

Cya at Phoenix BTW and looking for some good racing !!!!!!

Paul Carillon

bl00

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by bl00 » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00

Dana,

Tell me where in this post did I or Paul mention the word cheating! Go
ahead... look it over... Yup, it was never mentioned and never
implied.



>> >Well Robert confronted me tonight on Hawaii about my remarks made about
>> >him, which he more than likely didnt care for,so we went and raced at
>> >Richmond  for a challenge race and I finished second to him.He has put
>> >me in my place :).Congrates to Huggins on a good race.

>> Hey Paul, your not the only one! :>

>> He ran a ACE setup race with us on Saturday night at Michigan. He out
>> qualified the field by 5mph and after 4-5 laps him and another driver
>> were no where to be seen. So we all ran the 3rd spot. Kinda takes the
>> fun out of a "IROC" style race :>

>> Kev
>> bl00d on Hawaii

motisk

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by motisk » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00




> > >Well Robert confronted me tonight on Hawaii about my remarks made about
> > >him, which he more than likely didnt care for,so we went and raced at
> > >Richmond  for a challenge race and I finished second to him.He has put
> > >me in my place :).Congrates to Huggins on a good race.

> > Hey Paul, your not the only one! :>

> > He ran a ACE setup race with us on Saturday night at Michigan. He out
> > qualified the field by 5mph and after 4-5 laps him and another driver
> > were no where to be seen. So we all ran the 3rd spot. Kinda takes the
> > fun out of a "IROC" style race :>

> > Kev
> > bl00d on Hawaii

> This whole RHuggins cheating thing makes me laugh.  There are many
> people on Hawaii, at least there used to be when I raced on it, that are
> just as fast or faster than RHuggins.  I for one have never had
> difficulty staying ahead of RHuggins any time I raced with him, except
> at Talledega.  The level of competition on Hawaii must be pretty low now
> if RHuggins is standing out as a *** force.  I must believe that
> the majority of remaining Hawaii competitors are inexperienced Nascar
> novices.  Bob has spent many, many hours working on setups and learning
> the exact fast lines around the tracks.  He is a skilled driver and
> above all a determined competitor.  A few months ago there were many
> like him on Hawaii, it seems like whiners are all that's left.  You
> can't expect to compete with him unless you put in considerable time
> developing your skills.  It is like comparing yourself to a Busch Grand
> National driver after a day at the local go kart track.

> Dana Bailes

> "If your not cheating your just not trying hard enough."
> "There are cheaters and there are losers.

well I never judged huggins as a cheater until i got into a race with
him.  Damage was on and realistic. He gets into a wreck infront of me
the whole front end of his car tears off he keeps going like nothing
ever happened and his car looks like theres not a scratch on it.   Now
if he's not cheating my hat goes off to him but somethings just make ya
wonder...As far as No competition I really cant believe that.  But then
again I only run leagues anymore.  Now i may sound like Im ***in but
Im not.  Im just stating something thats all.  As far as my skill goes I
stand behind what Ive done on hawaii and My driving style and being
proud of not cheating.  
--
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Brian Motisko

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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Robert Plattt

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by Robert Plattt » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00

Well Brad everyone has low I/L at Dega just about out.But you are wrong on
onething I was not sticking up for Huggins I do believe he cheats when he
pulls a 1 sec. lead on a 2car draft in1 lap at Dega.Also if you run 199 mph
laps by yourself you will not pull away from a 2 car draft because most 2
car drafts run 200 to 201 mph laps at Dega atleast the 2 car drafts I in.I
was strictly stating that The competition has not dropped if anything alot
of other guys have gotten faster.I also am over the Dega incedent the other
night I sometimes get real pissed like that because I get real
competitive,so I am sorry if I said something out of the way,I just blow
off the Handle sometimes like Rusty Wallace does.I also never said Huggins
could whoop me fair and square.I have just laid off Huggins because it does
no good he will not admit to it and as I stated on Hawaii the other night
to my teammate Smokkinu."Huggins knows what he does and we know what he
does so leave it at that and lets quit fighting about it everynight".Because
 it does no good when it comes to everyone and I have no respect for
Huggins because what he does but I'm not going to fight about it anymore
because it won't do any good.I also believe that when you cheat it catch up
with you in the end Huggiebear.I have also came to this conclusion as if he
has to cheat to beat me that is shows how fast I am and that si the the
only way he can run upfront.

Have a nice Day
Robert
GT86

Dana Baile

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by Dana Baile » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00


> Dana Bring it on there Bud I will smoke your ass ok.I'm no whiner myself
> and there is alot of great competition still on Hawaii. I have been on
> Hawaii for over a year now and when I first came on I could run anything
> but Dega and I couldn't do that fast enough to run with the leaders but
> with a little help and a whole lot of practice I came to be one of the best
> at Dega.Aswell now with alot more practice and little more help I have
> became one of the best at the other tracks aswell.I thought I was great
> when I started turning laps of 198 in qual and 199 without draft at
> Dega.Until I started going to the other tracks and started getting faster
> at them.Now I run 188 to 190 mph laps at Atl,181 to 184 mph laps at
> Darlington,192 to 195 mph laps at Michigan,184 to 187 mph laps at
> C***te,and 131 to 134 mph laps at Bristol.As a matter of fact I suprised
> alot of Short track regulars at Bristol the other night when I took the
> pole with a 133.9 mph lap I believe which isn't the fastest or my
> fastest.But I am manily known and alot of people think of me as a
> Superspeedway driver only.Which they said I showed them different.So when
> ever you want to come onto Hawaii just look for my ID GT86 and I'll show
> you what the competition is like ok pal.

> Have a nice day

> Robert
> GT86

Very impressive Robert.  What kind of record do you have in league
competition?  I have first and second place finishes in two IVGA Gold
leagues and numerous wins.  Speed doesn't matter as much if you can't
win.  Pick-up races don't count.

Why do you still run on Hawaii?  I only ran on it for 5 or 6 months once
a week before I was confident I could compete with anyone there.  What
are you trying to prove, it is not the NRO.  You should quit wasting
your time there and work on you N2 setups.  I hope you have stock in
your long-distance carrier. <g>

DLB

Mike Radl

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by Mike Radl » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00


>Well Brad everyone has low I/L at Dega just about out.But you are wrong on
>onething I was not sticking up for Huggins I do believe he cheats when he
>pulls a 1 sec. lead on a 2car draft in1 lap at Dega.Also if you run 199 mph
>laps by yourself you will not pull away from a 2 car draft because most 2
>car drafts run 200 to 201 mph laps at Dega atleast the 2 car drafts I in.I
>was strictly stating that The competition has not dropped if anything alot
>of other guys have gotten faster.I also am over the Dega incedent the other
>night I sometimes get real pissed like that because I get real
>competitive,so I am sorry if I said something out of the way,I just blow
>off the Handle sometimes like Rusty Wallace does.I also never said Huggins
>could whoop me fair and square.I have just laid off Huggins because it does
>no good he will not admit to it and as I stated on Hawaii the other night
>to my teammate Smokkinu."Huggins knows what he does and we know what he
>does so leave it at that and lets quit fighting about it everynight".Because
> it does no good when it comes to everyone and I have no respect for
>Huggins because what he does but I'm not going to fight about it anymore
>because it won't do any good.I also believe that when you cheat it catch up
>with you in the end Huggiebear.I have also came to this conclusion as if he
>has to cheat to beat me that is shows how fast I am and that si the the
>only way he can run upfront.

Well said Robert. I finally realized it doesn't do much good to argue
about it especially with uninformed people who aren't even on Hawaii
these days and don't get to view those *strange* replays.  We know...
he knows... guess we'll just leave it at that.


Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Mike Radl

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by Mike Radl » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00


>Very impressive Robert.  What kind of record do you have in league
>competition?  I have first and second place finishes in two IVGA Gold
>leagues and numerous wins.  Speed doesn't matter as much if you can't
>win.  Pick-up races don't count.

>Why do you still run on Hawaii?  I only ran on it for 5 or 6 months once
>a week before I was confident I could compete with anyone there.  What
>are you trying to prove, it is not the NRO.  You should quit wasting
>your time there and work on you N2 setups.  I hope you have stock in
>your long-distance carrier. <g>

Hmm... How about having fun league racing with friends. Your not
so serious that you think your going to be the Earnhardt of the
NROS are you? N2 will become fun only after the NROS starts and we can
race with our friends. Now it's just plain boring. Since I don't plan to
dominate the NROS I can have a good time on Hawaii. BTW, if your really
that good then it doesn't matter when you start working on N2 setups,
you'll catch up.

Good luck,


Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

VLX4

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by VLX4 » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00

talk to the guys at papy then see whats up


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