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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:22:51

Just did some more testing after reading the High Gear Forum.(I hope it
was high gear, got the link from a post here) and they basically doubled the
values for pedal inputs...It slows the reaction slightly, or rather smooths
it some. I have run 50 or 60 laps at Spa testing pedals with the same base
setup. I 'thought' my 1:57 was gonna be as good as I got...til I used the
new #'s and immeadiately put about 6 or 7 laps out of a dozen under my old
Personal Best. Now sitting at at 1:55 + with a very high downforce
setup.(yeah I know High Downforce at Spa...but consistancy is better for me
than shear speed)
dave henrie
old values...
0 128 255 my tweeked values 0 253 255
new values
0 254 508
go 'splain that now phys whizzes...
dh

by **Haqsa** » Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:58:48

Hmm. As far as I can tell you just gave yourself one count more of
pedal travel, and one count less of dead spot. Doesn't seem like much,
but I don't see what else it could be. I'm still convinced, even after
reading that thread, that F1 2001 only sees the axis from the middle to
the top (the top actually being the lowest raw value for many
controllers, as in your case). The "bottom" value (the highest number)
is as far as I can tell ignored by F1 2001. So before you had an
effective range of 0 to 253, now you have an effective range of 0 to
254. And since your controller apparently puts out raw values from 0 to
255, before a reading from 255 to 253 would have been interpreted as
253, now that dead spot is one count smaller. Odd, because we are
talking about a 0.4% difference. But maybe that is enough to give you
better control as you come onto the throttle. Or maybe it has just been
a long day and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. ;o)

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:38:40

See thats why I'm glad I DON'T know what I'm doing...:) saves
headaches....Just ran some offline FIAGT laps...used the Belmondo Viper and
after about 4 short races managed to keep the leader in sight all the
way...(ok so I had ONE throttle helper set to low but thats it...) ;)
dave henrie

> Hmm. As far as I can tell you just gave yourself one count more of
> pedal travel, and one count less of dead spot. Doesn't seem like much,
> but I don't see what else it could be. I'm still convinced, even after
> reading that thread, that F1 2001 only sees the axis from the middle to
> the top (the top actually being the lowest raw value for many
> controllers, as in your case). The "bottom" value (the highest number)
> is as far as I can tell ignored by F1 2001. So before you had an
> effective range of 0 to 253, now you have an effective range of 0 to
> 254. And since your controller apparently puts out raw values from 0 to
> 255, before a reading from 255 to 253 would have been interpreted as
> 253, now that dead spot is one count smaller. Odd, because we are
> talking about a 0.4% difference. But maybe that is enough to give you
> better control as you come onto the throttle. Or maybe it has just been
> a long day and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. ;o)

> > Just did some more testing after reading the High Gear Forum.(I hope
> it
> > was high gear, got the link from a post here) and they basically
> doubled the
> > values for pedal inputs...It slows the reaction slightly, or rather
> smooths
> > it some. I have run 50 or 60 laps at Spa testing pedals with the same
> base
> > setup. I 'thought' my 1:57 was gonna be as good as I got...til I used
> the
> > new #'s and immeadiately put about 6 or 7 laps out of a dozen under my
> old
> > Personal Best. Now sitting at at 1:55 + with a very high downforce
> > setup.(yeah I know High Downforce at Spa...but consistancy is better
> for me
> > than shear speed)
> > dave henrie
> > old values...
> > 0 128 255 my tweeked values 0 253 255
> > new values
> > 0 254 508
> > go 'splain that now phys whizzes...
> > dh

by **Thore Sorense** » Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:34:52

I had a similar problem...
If I calibrated my old Logitech Wingman pedals in the normal way to
0-100% the result was that nearly everybody had a higher top-speed than
me in STCC2, my favourite until i get V8C - still 11 days :) .
I could not understand that at all...so bad? :) I thought it was just my
age :) - lousy driving or my setup's..:( Nearly 50 Years old I just got
used to be beaten all the time :)

But then 1 month ago I got an idea...tried to recalibrate the pedals
with a little piece of wood under the accelerator pedal so the motion
(while calibrating) was about 5 millimeters from the "floor". The
calibrating software still "saw" it as 100%...
Removed the wood'en piece (of course!), launched the game and got out
racing again....suddenly in less than 1 hour (!) I got new Personal
Best's on every track in the game (9 ) with the same setup's ! On one of
them (Anderstorp - with many long straights, on my second lap I cut 1,3
sec off my PB at the time. The old PB was 4 months old at the time...and
I have had the game for years :)

And now I can compete with several of the "***'s" around...
Well...there is many drivers/gamers that I can't follow... the best of
them is still 1-2 sec faster/lap but i haven't got 8 hours a day for
practicing...:)

Why it was this way I don't know, but it seems like I only had about
97-98% acceleration/top speed before and now have 100%! Every week I
have a new PB somewhere on these swedish tracks. Of course some of it
comes from practicing but the "trick" helped a lot...if u have a problem
like this....well...try "under-calibrating" the pedals...it may
help...:)

Now I have the 5 mm "deadzone" at full speed, but who cares...:)

The only thing I miss now is, that I only can use the "combined pedals"
option in the game :( If I try single-axis I get about 45-50% deadzone
and can' get round the corners without hitting gravel/grass...sort of
"on/off" accelerator...

--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

by **Haqsa** » Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:34:20

Not familiar with that wheel but I think that is due to drift in the
pots. So you calibrate it one day and the next day the actual values it
returns at the ends of the pedal travel are lower, therefore you don't
get the full range any more. Pots can drift due to temperature or wear
or even how the pedals are sitting on the floor or where you are resting
your feet. I know that happens with cheaper controllers, like my
LWFFGP. What I did is similar, but instead of mechanically limiting the
travel, I calibrated as normal and then used DXTweak2 to reduce the
range of the raw calibration values by a few counts (reduce maximum,
increase minimum, adjust center). I checked it a couple of times on
different days until I ended up with values that always gave me the full
range of the axis, without introducing huge dead spots. Works great
now!

> >old values...
> >0 128 255 my tweeked values 0 253 255
> >new values
> >0 254 508
> > go 'splain that now phys whizzes...

> I had a similar problem...
> If I calibrated my old Logitech Wingman pedals in the normal way to
> 0-100% the result was that nearly everybody had a higher top-speed
than
> me in STCC2, my favourite until i get V8C - still 11 days :) .
> I could not understand that at all...so bad? :) I thought it was just
my
> age :) - lousy driving or my setup's..:( Nearly 50 Years old I just
got
> used to be beaten all the time :)

> But then 1 month ago I got an idea...tried to recalibrate the pedals
> with a little piece of wood under the accelerator pedal so the motion
> (while calibrating) was about 5 millimeters from the "floor". The
> calibrating software still "saw" it as 100%...
> Removed the wood'en piece (of course!), launched the game and got out
> racing again....suddenly in less than 1 hour (!) I got new Personal
> Best's on every track in the game (9 ) with the same setup's ! On one
of
> them (Anderstorp - with many long straights, on my second lap I cut
1,3
> sec off my PB at the time. The old PB was 4 months old at the
time...and
> I have had the game for years :)

> And now I can compete with several of the "***'s" around...
> Well...there is many drivers/gamers that I can't follow... the best of
> them is still 1-2 sec faster/lap but i haven't got 8 hours a day for
> practicing...:)

> Why it was this way I don't know, but it seems like I only had about
> 97-98% acceleration/top speed before and now have 100%! Every week I
> have a new PB somewhere on these swedish tracks. Of course some of it
> comes from practicing but the "trick" helped a lot...if u have a
problem
> like this....well...try "under-calibrating" the pedals...it may
> help...:)

> Now I have the 5 mm "deadzone" at full speed, but who cares...:)

> The only thing I miss now is, that I only can use the "combined
pedals"
> option in the game :( If I try single-axis I get about 45-50% deadzone
> and can' get round the corners without hitting gravel/grass...sort of
> "on/off" accelerator...

> --
> Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
> Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

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