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by **extractor-removesp..** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:33:26

Its my belieft that EA will ruin the NASCAR multiplayer racing on the
PC. Yes they might get the physics to be decent using the F1-2002
engine, but the relity is that many of us buy games like NR2002S only
to play online, against 30 others, not as a single player game. EA
has shown poor multiplayer support in F12001 and F1-2002. You can't
play 8 players at the same time on a decent host, forget about 30! I
don't think they even have interest in providing better multiplayer
code. Unfortunately Papyrus/Sierra doesn't have the cash to fight EA
for the NASCAR franchise. All we can hope is that Papyrus decides to
build the ultimate NASCAR game with all the goodies we have been
asking for, yes maybe the game won't run on a machine less that a 2GHz
PC with a Geforce 4 or Radeon 9700 video card, but it will be the
pinacle of NASCAR multiplayer simulation and will be a game users will
play for 5 years, since I doubt very much EA will offer a multiplayer
game of comparison.

Thanks for the rant

by **Ashley McConnel** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:59:34

Why not continue playing NR2002?

Its not going to go away

Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com

by **Don Wilsh** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:49:26

If we can get a great game from PAPY, than we can improve the game with
painted carsets, improved tracks, shapes, etc. for the years to come, I just
hope they dont give us that same lame physics engine again. ie, Raising
the
car and it goes faster.. Geeeeeeeeez........
--
Donald Wilshe
888 588-9207
Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog
Library
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by **Darrin Steven** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:31:49

What do you expect a pc game that is 100% flawless and perfectly modeled in
every single way?? You can only get so much done with limited time and/or
personel.

Name one other company that has done so much for sim racing?

You can't.

Name another company that has a physics engine that is better than Papy's
"lame" one?

You can't.

I am more than happy with what we have considering the alternatives.

--

Darrin Stevens
www.Stevens-Racing.com

> If we can get a great game from PAPY, than we can improve the game with
> painted carsets, improved tracks, shapes, etc. for the years to come, I
just
> hope they dont give us that same lame physics engine again. ie, Raising
> the
> car and it goes faster.. Geeeeeeeeez........
> --
> Donald Wilshe
> 888 588-9207
> Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog
> Library
> www.martelbros.com
> Other Interest:
> www.ivga.com
> www.games-advertising.com
> www.whra.com

> > Its my belieft that EA will ruin the NASCAR multiplayer racing on the
> > PC. Yes they might get the physics to be decent using the F1-2002
> > engine, but the relity is that many of us buy games like NR2002S only
> > to play online, against 30 others, not as a single player game. EA
> > has shown poor multiplayer support in F12001 and F1-2002. You can't
> > play 8 players at the same time on a decent host, forget about 30! I
> > don't think they even have interest in providing better multiplayer
> > code. Unfortunately Papyrus/Sierra doesn't have the cash to fight EA
> > for the NASCAR franchise. All we can hope is that Papyrus decides to
> > build the ultimate NASCAR game with all the goodies we have been
> > asking for, yes maybe the game won't run on a machine less that a 2GHz
> > PC with a Geforce 4 or Radeon 9700 video card, but it will be the
> > pinacle of NASCAR multiplayer simulation and will be a game users will
> > play for 5 years, since I doubt very much EA will offer a multiplayer
> > game of comparison.

> > Thanks for the rant

by **Haqsa** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:57:02

ISI

by **Targano** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:35:12

EA Don't give a DAMN about anything once they have your money!!

JUST look at V8 Challenge....

that was supposed to be a real V8 Supercar Sim, more than a game! but I
wouldn't even used the CD as coaster!!

Thank god I got Free from EA!!!

by **Cong** » Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:34:07

EA is a master of economic models not physic models. Cheating AI's, poor
multiplayer unless its carries a monthly fee :), no manuals. Any company
that would kill Skunkworks (Jane sims) is a f.... disgrace. Now they are
going to kill Race sims as well. Consumer have made them the number one pc
entertainment publisher.... I guess we get what we deserve.

> EA Don't give a DAMN about anything once they have your money!!

> JUST look at V8 Challenge....

> that was supposed to be a real V8 Supercar Sim, more than a game! but I
> wouldn't even used the CD as coaster!!

> Thank god I got Free from EA!!!

> > Its my belieft that EA will ruin the NASCAR multiplayer racing on the
> > PC. Yes they might get the physics to be decent using the F1-2002
> > engine, but the relity is that many of us buy games like NR2002S only
> > to play online, against 30 others, not as a single player game. EA
> > has shown poor multiplayer support in F12001 and F1-2002. You can't
> > play 8 players at the same time on a decent host, forget about 30! I
> > don't think they even have interest in providing better multiplayer
> > code. Unfortunately Papyrus/Sierra doesn't have the cash to fight EA
> > for the NASCAR franchise. All we can hope is that Papyrus decides to
> > build the ultimate NASCAR game with all the goodies we have been
> > asking for, yes maybe the game won't run on a machine less that a 2GHz
> > PC with a Geforce 4 or Radeon 9700 video card, but it will be the
> > pinacle of NASCAR multiplayer simulation and will be a game users will
> > play for 5 years, since I doubt very much EA will offer a multiplayer
> > game of comparison.

> > Thanks for the rant

by **Don** » Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:23:04

Careful about the "we" statement: I'm no CPA, but from what [little] I
know about overall software sales, it's the CONSOLE sales that have made
them "#1". They sell more than 3 times as many console games as PC games.
So while we get to reap the "benefit" of their success, it wasn't "us" that
created it.
Tho, to be truthful: I DO plan on buying NT2003 for the PC. I'm also
getting NR2003 from Papy and have bought EVERY Nascar from Papy except the
Busch Expansion pack!

Gunner
(praying the Mod Gods out there can extend NR2002 and NR2003 [TRUCKS
anyone?!!]to fill the void of the disappearance of Papy after NR2003)

by **Bill Bollinge** » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:03:58

If they would fix the darn drafting and damage model I would be happy. Heck
throw in TRUE dedicated server (Without any graphics) and not make everyone
log in through WON.NET's crappy online system just to join a WON.NET ranked
race.

> If we can get a great game from PAPY, than we can improve the game with
> painted carsets, improved tracks, shapes, etc. for the years to come, I
just
> hope they dont give us that same lame physics engine again. ie, Raising
> the
> car and it goes faster.. Geeeeeeeeez........
> --
> Donald Wilshe
> 888 588-9207
> Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog
> Library
> www.martelbros.com
> Other Interest:
> www.ivga.com
> www.games-advertising.com
> www.whra.com

> > Its my belieft that EA will ruin the NASCAR multiplayer racing on the
> > PC. Yes they might get the physics to be decent using the F1-2002
> > engine, but the relity is that many of us buy games like NR2002S only
> > to play online, against 30 others, not as a single player game. EA
> > has shown poor multiplayer support in F12001 and F1-2002. You can't
> > play 8 players at the same time on a decent host, forget about 30! I
> > don't think they even have interest in providing better multiplayer
> > code. Unfortunately Papyrus/Sierra doesn't have the cash to fight EA
> > for the NASCAR franchise. All we can hope is that Papyrus decides to
> > build the ultimate NASCAR game with all the goodies we have been
> > asking for, yes maybe the game won't run on a machine less that a 2GHz
> > PC with a Geforce 4 or Radeon 9700 video card, but it will be the
> > pinacle of NASCAR multiplayer simulation and will be a game users will
> > play for 5 years, since I doubt very much EA will offer a multiplayer
> > game of comparison.

> > Thanks for the rant

by **Isotrip** » Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:53:49

But..........but...............but

"It's in the GAME!" :oP

- Isotrip?

by **Darrin Steven** » Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:52:43

lol

--

Darrin Stevens
www.Stevens-Racing.com

> ISI

> > Name another company that has a physics engine that is better than
> Papy's
> > "lame" one?

by **Haqsa** » Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:59:27

Strictly speaking, ISI's physics engine is undeniably better. You can
point to problems with the tracks, with the multiplayer, even with the
physics *data*, but none of that is relevant to the question you asked.
The ISI physics *engine* is the best one out there. To prove it all you
have to do is play a game that makes good use of it, like the FIA mod.

> lol

> --

> Darrin Stevens
> www.Stevens-Racing.com

> > ISI

> > > Name another company that has a physics engine that is better than
> > Papy's
> > > "lame" one?

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