>> Wake up and smell the coffee.
> Only if it has been fresh roasted to just past 2nd crack from green
> coffee beans in a popcorn popper, let to sit for 24-48 hours
> (ventilated), ground with a burr type grinder, and brewed with 95-98C
> filtered water in a French press.
>:)
> I just spent the weekend reading up on making good coffee. ;)
> MRSisson
>> When referring to "modding" a game, it usually means whole new cars
>> and physics models, not just tracks.
> The great thing about GPL (until engine swapping and other messing about
> muddied the water later on) was that the physics was fixed. You could mess
> with the setups and swap cars in search of elusive speed, but the core sim
> (and AI for offline) was narrow, involving, and believable enough to allow
> us to just get on with the racing and forget what might be coming. I
> wasn't waiting for a new sim or mod or track or tweak, I was just having a
> great time!
>> Wake up and smell the coffee.
> Only if it has been fresh roasted to just past 2nd crack from green
> coffee beans in a popcorn popper, let to sit for 24-48 hours
> (ventilated), ground with a burr type grinder, and brewed with 95-98C
> filtered water in a French press.
> :)
> I just spent the weekend reading up on making good coffee. ;)
Andrew McP
Kyalami is pretty tough, but many others are very easy, like Silverstone or
'Ring. Some of benchmark laps actually contain off-track excursions ('Ring
and Zandvoort, I think). My first sub-benchmark lap at 'Ring had 4 offs
(yeah, you can laugh). So basically, you can go negative with variety of
driving styles, including going wildly sideways. It doesn't mean that's a
fast way. Try to run sub-8 lap going into the turns with 45 degree slip ;)
Alex.
If you already have very good physics, it's the tracks that are really
needed. Considering that you only see a small part of the***pit, and you
have no time to look at it anyway, whole new cars don't do much good :).
Unless you mean simulating really new cars, like being able to run WRC car
on a gravel road in GPL. But I don't think anybody has achieved that level
of modding.
Alex.
>> When referring to "modding" a game, it usually means whole new cars and
>> physics models, not just tracks.
> If you already have very good physics, it's the tracks that are really
> needed. Considering that you only see a small part of the***pit, and you
> have no time to look at it anyway, whole new cars don't do much good :).
> Unless you mean simulating really new cars, like being able to run WRC car
> on a gravel road in GPL. But I don't think anybody has achieved that level
> of modding.
> Alex.
but they are two different games. but to say one community is more
passionate than another, as one poster said, is totally wrong. how do you
measure passion?
like I said before, I used to play gpl all the time. in its time it was the
benchmark. but I feel its starting to show its age, with the tyre modelling
and the online collision detection.
gpl will always be an important part of sim racing history. it changed the
rules.
cheers
steve
The 'Ring easy? :D That cracks me up...
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Ped Xing
>> Well, there's a great time being had by those with the F3 v1.2 mod
> I honestly can't see what the F3 fuss is about. I actually prefer the
> default trainers to the F3 mod.
Hmm, so given all that, you'd think I should prefer the trainers... yet
I spend most of my time running the F3s.
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Ped Xing
>>> When referring to "modding" a game, it usually means whole new cars
>>> and physics models, not just tracks.
>> If you already have very good physics, it's the tracks that are really
>> needed. Considering that you only see a small part of the***pit, and
>> you have no time to look at it anyway, whole new cars don't do much
>> good :). Unless you mean simulating really new cars, like being able
>> to run WRC car on a gravel road in GPL. But I don't think anybody has
>> achieved that level of modding.
>> Alex.
> your last bit was what I was referring to. the conversation was
> heading in the direction that there wasn't a big modding or passionate
> community for rF compared to gpl. It all depends on what you consider
> "modding". gpl is big in the sense of car shapes, skins, and sounds.
> a couple of physics changes. but thats it. gpl is still basically
> what you bought in 1998. gpl, like n2k3, is very difficult to change
> whats there to simulate something totally different. rF on the other
> hand, has got the vehicle modders extremely happy, making all new
> classes of racing, both tin top and open wheel. the physics etc are
> edited with notepad. you don't have to hack the exe to change a value.
Alex
>> Kyalami is pretty tough, but many others are very easy, like
>> Silverstone or 'Ring. Some of benchmark laps actually contain
> The 'Ring easy? :D That cracks me up...
Alex.
. Realistically, one could have Formula Ford, Formula Renault,
I totally agree. but my view is that the quality and fun factor of the
various mods will differ greatly. In time, I think people will drift
towards the better mods for online racing. and use the others for offline.
cheers
steve
Andrew McP
I agree that diverse modding is a bad thing in terms of finding online
pickup races but these days there's leagues for pretty much any series/mod
that's out there so there's plenty of chances for good, competitive online
racing. I'm involved in and F3 and Trainer leagues for rFactor and the
racing has generally been superb.
Maybe for a player like you with a GPL Rank of -52, putting you in the top
7% of the GPL rank ratings. I'm at -12 and was just happy to be able to
go negative. As mentioned before I've seen posts where some players
stated it took them 4 years to go negative.
For myself, after spending a few sessions to get under 1:29 at Monaco,
it's not easy either. The Ring is just big, not only do you have to learn
140+ turns, but you also have to remember all the dips, drops, rises, bumps,
and jumps.
Regarding the Ring, only about 7% of the 56,000+ submitted laps for the
Ring are sub 8 minutes. Less than 20% (probably around 16%) of the
submitted laps are better than the reference time.
