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WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

Michael E. Carve

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:00:00



% >Naturally you have conclusive proof of this....? You don't?! You're
% >just speculating?!  

% No, it's a well-known fact - 3dfx is themselves doing the patch to the
% Nascar2 code, not Papyrus.

Which makes total sense to me.  Either Papyrus takes away people who are
working on development for future products . . .

OR,  Allow the experts to do it and provide the necessary code and
technical assistance.

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ymenar

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by ymenar » Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>Food for thought. In my recently received "InterAction" mag, there is a
>picture of a new Toyota Atlantic Series (minor league for CART) car that
>will be sponsored by Papyrus. In the column devoted to this news it
>states (and I'll quote):

I was this year at the Montreal Formula 1 GP (like every year).  There's
some less important series that also run during the weekend.  One of them
was the Toyota Formula Atlantic.  There was a car sponsored by Per4mer.  I
just hoped he didn't had one of their crappy wheel on his real racecar ;-)

The first day of the GP (Friday), I arrived at 7:00am on the track. There
was some minor qualification sessions, etc..  The F1 was at 11:00am, and the
Atlantic series had some testing before.  I was talking to my friend who was
there (I was in Senna's corner) when I saw a car go by. Whoooom!....  I just
saw it like for a fraction of a second, but this was enough to have my
attention. I said "Naw. That can't be".  But I waited an entire lap and yes
I could be.

PAPYRUS sponsored a Atlantic car this year. YES.  I hear some people say
"Really ? D'uh ? Why didn't they told that to us ??".  I dunno.  I was very
proud to see the car with the Papyrus logo on the car (primary sponsor, on
the wings/sides). I don't even know the name of the driver.

Papyrus should make more publicity on this car, if they ever return with the
team, or their future plans.  I am sure that some of us would be interested
into knowing that !

Fran?ois Mnard,
"ymenard" on NROS
sponsored by http://www.awpss.com

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:00:00



>>Really? I'm surprised then that the 3dFX guys are saying that they
>>couldn't have done it without the help of Papyrus

>All they said was that Papyrus wrote the original game. Duh.

Oh Joe, give it a rest. If 3dFX (who know what is going on) can
acknowledge Papyrus' efforts in providing a 3dFX patch, surely you
can.

Please tell ne exactly which part of....

-----------
5.  What programmer can we send a massive email "thanks" to when it is
completed?

:-)Papyrus programmers.  It is with their code and support that this
port has progressed.  Nothing could have happened without their
efforts.
-----------

...you can't understand. The word "support" obviously. Doesn't sound
like "Yeah Papy wrote the original game but we did everything else" to
me.

Cheers!
John

Jo

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Jo » Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>Oh Joe, give it a rest. If 3dFX (who know what is going on) can
>acknowledge Papyrus' efforts in providing a 3dFX patch, surely you
>can.

You give it a rest - you are twisting their words. Papyrus is NOT
providing the patch.

Joe

Andre Min

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by Andre Min » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


> >Correct me if I am wrong ... but doesn't Papy need a license from CART
> >to repackage the game under that banner?  That being the case, why
> >couldn't they update it and release a CART III if they so chose?

Eric T. Busch Replied:

And I add:

Food for thought. In my recently received "InterAction" mag, there is a
picture of a new Toyota Atlantic Series (minor league for CART) car that
will be sponsored by Papyrus. In the column devoted to this news it
states (and I'll quote):

"Evidence of its committment to motorsports, Papyrus plans for
open-wheeled racing in the months and years ahead, but for more
information on that, you'll have to look for future issues of
'InterAction' magazine."

Now, whether it's referring solely to GPL, or whether Papy is leaving
the door open for modern-era open wheelers, is anybody's guess.  But
with the many problems of the newest round of open wheel offerings, it
could be that ol' Papy isn't ready to step down from CART-type racing
just yet.  

Have Fun...

Andre

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Hi Doug. I have absolutely no problem with constructive criticism,
indeed I'm sure any of the software companies here would actively
welcome it. A lot of the posts recently were, IMO, losing the
"constructive" and being simply criticism. An opinion is great, but
"this sucks" or "you aren't doing a good enough job" tells only of
dissatisfaction. Get into the WHY and it starts to be useful. If
something cannot be quantitied and justified it tells little.

Yay! My sentiments exactly. I know our opinions differ on the role
that Papyrus are taking in this, and whether or nor that is right or
wrong, but the bottom line is that a 3dFX patch is on the way.
Whatever the mechanics of the deal, what we requested is being
supplied, and I for one am really looking forward to it, especially as
the rumours state that it is Glide. What is even better is the
experience that the Papyrus guys will be getting of working with 3dFX,
both card and company. That should help in ensuring not only support
for 3dFX in future products, but leading edge support which uses the
chipset in full.

Here again we agree to differ. The game is frame locked to 30fps
AFAIK, and that frame rate is achievable on a P188 in SVGA. A 3dFX
patch won't go amiss, but it certainly isn't necessary for the fun
factor. Hurling a buggy of the jump toward T1, downshifting in mid-air
and trying to hold the slide as the rears lock up on landing and pitch
you into the corner is great fun, and certainly in my case the driving
is so frantic that I rarely have time to notice anything other than
the CCs.

Well, when someone calls me "silly" it's difficult to see how else to
interpret it. No problem though, we're both just arguing for the same
thing from different viewpoints.

Cheers!
John

Jo

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Jo » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>Well, when someone calls me "silly" it's difficult to see how else to
>interpret it. No problem though, we're both just arguing for the same
>thing from different viewpoints.

No offense, but getting bent out of shape over the word "silly",
especially on the volatile usenet, is, well, silly. That's gotta be
the tamest "flame" I've seen in ten years. ;-)

Joe

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>Not worked up, just pointing out that Papyrus business decision-making
>around 3d cards has been very flawed, and as a result they are amoung
>the last companies on earth to support leading edge cards.

_Who's_ decision making Joe? You're speculating again.... ;-)

Cheers!
John

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>No offense, but getting bent out of shape over the word "silly",
>especially on the volatile usenet, is, well, silly. That's gotta be
>the tamest "flame" I've seen in ten years. ;-)

"Bent out of shape" is a bit extreme, I simply pointed out that such a
comment wasn't necessary wasn't necessary, I'd prefer not to see it in
future,  and proceeded to give a reasoned response.

Calling someone "silly" isn't a big deal, but if you're hoping to
conduct some kind of *** conversation it's generally not a good
opener. Try going downtown today and address everyone you meet as
"silly", then come back and report how it changed their attitude
toward you.

It's about how you are perceived by the person you are communicating
with, not only about how it affects them.

Cheers!
John

Jo

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Jo » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>>Not worked up, just pointing out that Papyrus business decision-making
>>around 3d cards has been very flawed, and as a result they are amoung
>>the last companies on earth to support leading edge cards.
>_Who's_ decision making Joe? You're speculating again.... ;-)

Oh, please, GMAB. Papyrus products, Papyrus decision making. I don't
think that's a HUGE leap to make.

Joe

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>You give it a rest - you are twisting their words. Papyrus is NOT
>providing the patch.

Please tell me the words I twisted. If you can, I'd like you to post
the words which were actually stated by Papyrus or 3dFX, and "my
version" of those words. I think you'll find it impossible.

I'm sorry Joe, but in this case you are the guy twisting everyone's
words. You have just stated that Papyrus were only involved because
they wrote the original code. and nothing more than that. First of all
you and I both know that what you said is total BS (since 3dFX
themselves have praised the support from Papyrus, and common-sense
tells you that such a product couldn't be reverse engineered), and
secondly even if Papyrus _had_ only supplied the code, you couldn't
possibly lnow that. If you are on an anti-Papyrus trip then that's
fine by me, I'm only against people rumour-mongering and giving
credence to things they cannot hope to know the facts about.

State your opinions sure, but you could at least have the courtesy to
acknowledge effort when a company changes their plans to give you what
you want. Pity help Microsoft when they release a perfect patch for
CPR - are you gonna flame them too, telling them TRI did all the work
and they didnt even supply the code?

Cheers!
John

Jo

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Jo » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>Please tell me the words I twisted. If you can, I'd like you to post
>the words which were actually stated by Papyrus or 3dFX, and "my
>version" of those words.

Not interested in playing your word-twisting games, sorry, you'll have
to find someone else to play with.

Joe

Simproje

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by Simproje » Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Uh......yeah, right.

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:00:00


>Oh, please, GMAB. Papyrus products, Papyrus decision making. I don't
>think that's a HUGE leap to make.

It must be wonderful to be you. Every situation, every decision is
entirely your own, and utterly black and white. All unsullied by
outside influence.

It's a small logical step only if you choose not to look further than
necessary to support your opinion. I personally prefer to consider all
possibilities before even arriving at an opinion, hence the fact that
I find it impossible to say one way or the other. I do, however,
wonder how other can speak with such assurance on a subject they
cannot claim to hold knowledge of.

Cheers!
John

John Walla

WOW, Grand Prix Legends is amazing!

by John Walla » Tue, 02 Dec 1997 04:00:00


>Not interested in playing your word-twisting games, sorry, you'll have
>to find someone else to play with.

All I asked was to justify what you said - you've been playing for
ages, why give up now?! :)

Cheers!
John


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