>> I'm confident that there isn't a single RASCAR driver from this past
>> season who will back your silly lies.
>> I'm going to hold back and not reply the way I'd like ONLY because I am
>> in RASCAR.
> Buh-bye... PLONK
>>Considering I despise the extreme right NEARLY as much as I despise the
>>liberals I can now clearly see why youre such a ***ing ***. In fact this
>>doesnt concern you so STFU...
>>Buh-bye... PLONK
> You need to buy some weed with your welfare money, grill up a food
> stamp burger, top it off with some WIC cheese, and chill the *** out
> man.
Put the joint down, get a job, move out of mommies house then come back and
talk like a man. Till then STFU loser!
Mitch
The next week I showed up for a race and all of a sudden were using some
crazy setup from Coorsmans friend or something. How could this be, I
thought to myself. Since when does RASCAR change to a CUSTOM setup just a
day or two prior to the race?? Never. All of a sudden without my consent
were changing the rules and my complaints were completely ignored. And I
mean COMPLETELY. So complete that most of you probably don't even remember
because I didnt make a huge deal about it.
Then along comes ole Freddy wrecking me 2 races in a row all the while
spewing his nonsense here on RAS but you all cant even get together to give
the sad little shit a warning let alone ban him as he should have been.
Again my complaints totally ignored.
Then all of a sudden the Server admin wasnt sending me any email or giving
me the normal server updates. Ive always wondered why considering I was the
main point of contact and set the entire deal up to begin with... Just
another notch to make me wonder wtf DGF was up too.
The last time I was at the RASCAR site the last update was 3/05 and the RSC
forum was gone so as far as I was concerned RASCAR as an entity was gone
(and being how most of the drivers wanted a Nascar only series and we dont
have a decent Nascar sim I put 2 and 2 together but came out with 5).
Can you tell me why any of that happened? Ive sure wondered and havent any
conclusion except what Ive outlined in these threads.
What exactly did I do and when to invite this issue?
Mitch
> I'm probably going to regret prolonging this but I think you're being a
> little unfair here. RASCAR under the recent regime has been absolutely
> consultative, even down to the setups used. We gave NSR a try and
> collectively decided it wasn't for us. You suggested GTR and we
> collectively decided it wasn't for us either. You chose not to race the
> NASCAR races and that's fine but it isn't fair to suggest that Dave 'told'
> us we had to race NASCAR - we decided that GTR wasn't for us. We plodded
> on for a bit and eventually decided, as a group, we'd park it until
> rFactor was out. As agreed, we're now giving that a shot and, who knows,
> maybe that won't be for us either (although I must admit the open wheelers
> are a blast and the net code is good).
> You can follow all these discussions on the RASCAR forum and there's
> absolutely no antagonism or ill-feeling anywhere. There are discussions
> about the future direction and a consensus can be seen to emerge. The fact
> is, I don't recall Dave ever trying to impose his will on anyone. The
> atmosphere in RASCAR in the least season was fantastic. Numbers dropped
> but a great, relaxed time was had by all. It just seems a shame such a
> great group of people seem intent on ripping themselves apart at regular
> intervals. I had no real problems with John, and none with you or Dave and
> I'm ***ed if I can see why egos keep getting in the way.
> As you'd left the group, it's entirely understandable that you wouldn't
> have seen the discussion to wait for rFactor and I for one appreciate your
> efforts to get something going. As we all appear to be on the same
> wavelength now why not race with us again. Tony has it right - it would
> just be good to have a place for ras guys to race in a nice atmosphere and
> no pressure.
> Regards
>>A voice of reason emerges once again, Tony :)
>> Really wasnt much effort on my part though. Had I known RASCAR was even
>> slightly interested in rFactor I wouldnt have done a thing or even
>> mentioned it. I blame you LOL.
>> My point was that DGF continues to make up the rules as he goes along,
>> ignoring anyone he disagrees with. Sound at all familiar?. Sadly I fell
>> for his con-man bullshit along the way as he slowly took over complete
>> control of RASCAR right under my nose, and I was just naive enough not to
>> see it happening (he must have read Fidel Castro's book, and Im not
>> surprised). I just never figured he'd pull that shit again, let alone to
>> me.
>> Rascar is Nascar only, until dgf decides otherwise is what I should have
>> been told 6 months ago. I dare anyone in RASCAR to tell me different.
>> Doesnt matter, Ill just let her run and have some fun!
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> Mitch
>>> My post was to see if there was any interest in the group rather than
>>> stir up personal issues or create another group. However, whether
>>> RASFactor is made up of ex RASCAR members or not is pretty
>>> immaterial IMHO. I am sure there are enough interested RAS members to
>>> support two race slots providing the racing experiences are good enough.
>>> The important thing is Mitch has made a considerable effort to put this
>>> together very quickly and provide us with a place to join up.
>>> Tony
> Buh-bye... PLONK
>> Considering I despise the extreme right NEARLY as much as I despise
>> the liberals I can now clearly see why youre such a ***ing ***. In
>> fact this doesnt concern you so STFU...
>> Buh-bye... PLONK
> you need help
I saw the writing on the wall for what was going to happen in RASCAR but
rather than keep it all going running GTR (even with fewer drivers) yall
were willing to just let it dry up which distressed me ;)
One thing about it, we may have yelled a lot but most really enjoyed the
racing. Hell, racing will always bring up tempers. Did ya watch the Louden
Race yesterday or th eTruck race Sat, LOL.
Mitch
-Larry
Well, I was _almost_ in RASCAR from the start, and nothing was ever
mentioned, ever, except NASCAR races the entire 4 years I was there. Until
this year. With that in mind, you have to look at it from how _I_ saw it.
Did I make a big stink back then?
Well, um. Ahem. Yes, you did :) You even took your ball and went home,
which I found very distressing because I actually ENJOYED racing with you :)
All respects to Cory for wanting to help, I have to agree. I absolutely
despised those setups. I preferred the fast or expert setups, though I can
understand the desire to try something else. I just thing it should have
been done OFF season and the decision made before we started the official
season.
I made a few posts begging to go back to the old setups, but you had already
left.
I missed the Fredrickson/Mitch show. Will there be ru-runs ? (Sorry,
couldn't resist) :)
Can't comment. I know nothing, I saw nothing.
We got a new web site :) Go to rascar.org, then click on the forum link.
snip...
Mitch
> -Larry
>>I never said DGF decided RASCAR was Nascar only. It was a group decision,
>>I dont exactly recall who was saying that but I do remember numerous
>>people agreeing (Larry and Coorsman come to mind). I very much disagreed
>>and argued for my 2 cents worth but that was the extent of it.
> Well, I was _almost_ in RASCAR from the start, and nothing was ever
> mentioned, ever, except NASCAR races the entire 4 years I was there.
> Until this year. With that in mind, you have to look at it from how _I_
> saw it.
> Did I make a big stink back then?
> Well, um. Ahem. Yes, you did :) You even took your ball and went home,
> which I found very distressing because I actually ENJOYED racing with you
> :)
>> The next week I showed up for a race and all of a sudden were using some
>> crazy setup from Coorsmans friend or something. How could this be, I
>> thought to myself. Since when does RASCAR change to a CUSTOM setup just
>> a day or two prior to the race??
> All respects to Cory for wanting to help, I have to agree. I absolutely
> despised those setups. I preferred the fast or expert setups, though I
> can understand the desire to try something else. I just thing it should
> have been done OFF season and the decision made before we started the
> official season.
>> Never. All of a sudden without my consent were changing the rules and my
>> complaints were completely ignored. And I mean COMPLETELY. So complete
>> that most of you probably don't even remember because I didnt make a huge
>> deal about it.
> I made a few posts begging to go back to the old setups, but you had
> already left.
>> Then along comes ole Freddy wrecking me 2 races in a row all the while
>> spewing his nonsense here on RAS but you all cant even get together to
>> give the sad little shit a warning let alone ban him as he should have
>> been. Again my complaints totally ignored.
> I missed the Fredrickson/Mitch show. Will there be ru-runs ? (Sorry,
> couldn't resist) :)
>> Then all of a sudden the Server admin wasnt sending me any email or
>> giving me the normal server updates. Ive always wondered why considering
>> I was the main point of contact and set the entire deal up to begin
>> with... Just another notch to make me wonder wtf DGF was up too.
> Can't comment. I know nothing, I saw nothing.
>> The last time I was at the RASCAR site the last update was 3/05 and the
>> RSC forum was gone so as far as I was concerned RASCAR as an entity was
>> gone (and being how most of the drivers wanted a Nascar only series and
>> we dont have a decent Nascar sim I put 2 and 2 together but came out with
>> 5).
> We got a new web site :) Go to rascar.org, then click on the forum link.
> snip...
You are a liar.
You still haven't found one RASCAR member from the last year who backs up
any of your ridiculous accusations against me. Do that, or STFU (and take
your meds).
--
David G Fisher
> Mitch
>> See Inline...
>> -Larry
>>>I never said DGF decided RASCAR was Nascar only. It was a group
>>>decision, I dont exactly recall who was saying that but I do remember
>>>numerous people agreeing (Larry and Coorsman come to mind). I very much
>>>disagreed and argued for my 2 cents worth but that was the extent of it.
>> Well, I was _almost_ in RASCAR from the start, and nothing was ever
>> mentioned, ever, except NASCAR races the entire 4 years I was there.
>> Until this year. With that in mind, you have to look at it from how _I_
>> saw it.
>> Did I make a big stink back then?
>> Well, um. Ahem. Yes, you did :) You even took your ball and went home,
>> which I found very distressing because I actually ENJOYED racing with you
>> :)
>>> The next week I showed up for a race and all of a sudden were using some
>>> crazy setup from Coorsmans friend or something. How could this be, I
>>> thought to myself. Since when does RASCAR change to a CUSTOM setup just
>>> a day or two prior to the race??
>> All respects to Cory for wanting to help, I have to agree. I absolutely
>> despised those setups. I preferred the fast or expert setups, though I
>> can understand the desire to try something else. I just thing it should
>> have been done OFF season and the decision made before we started the
>> official season.
>>> Never. All of a sudden without my consent were changing the rules and
>>> my complaints were completely ignored. And I mean COMPLETELY. So
>>> complete that most of you probably don't even remember because I didnt
>>> make a huge deal about it.
>> I made a few posts begging to go back to the old setups, but you had
>> already left.
>>> Then along comes ole Freddy wrecking me 2 races in a row all the while
>>> spewing his nonsense here on RAS but you all cant even get together to
>>> give the sad little shit a warning let alone ban him as he should have
>>> been. Again my complaints totally ignored.
>> I missed the Fredrickson/Mitch show. Will there be ru-runs ? (Sorry,
>> couldn't resist) :)
>>> Then all of a sudden the Server admin wasnt sending me any email or
>>> giving me the normal server updates. Ive always wondered why
>>> considering I was the main point of contact and set the entire deal up
>>> to begin with... Just another notch to make me wonder wtf DGF was up
>>> too.
>> Can't comment. I know nothing, I saw nothing.
>>> The last time I was at the RASCAR site the last update was 3/05 and the
>>> RSC forum was gone so as far as I was concerned RASCAR as an entity was
>>> gone (and being how most of the drivers wanted a Nascar only series and
>>> we dont have a decent Nascar sim I put 2 and 2 together but came out
>>> with 5).
>> We got a new web site :) Go to rascar.org, then click on the forum link.
>> snip...
I suspect Robbie Gordon will be set aside a race or two.
-Larry
> I saw the writing on the wall for what was going to happen in RASCAR but
> rather than keep it all going running GTR (even with fewer drivers) yall
> were willing to just let it dry up which distressed me ;)
> One thing about it, we may have yelled a lot but most really enjoyed the
> racing. Hell, racing will always bring up tempers. Did ya watch the
> Louden Race yesterday or th eTruck race Sat, LOL.
> Mitch
>> See Inline...
>> -Larry
>> Did I make a big stink back then?
>> Well, um. Ahem. Yes, you did :) You even took your ball and went home,
>> which I found very distressing because I actually ENJOYED racing with you
>> :)
Everything Ive said is absolute fact and if I can get T. Wheatley to dig it
up Ill show you how it happened.
POS ***ing liberals have their own version of the truth and you sure prove
that over and over.
Who are these so called "drivers" and why arent they coming to your defense
if my version is so wrong? Duh...
Sad little girl...
> You are a liar.
> You still haven't found one RASCAR member from the last year who backs up
> any of your ridiculous accusations against me. Do that, or STFU (and take
> your meds).
> --
> David G Fisher
>> Just one more addendum Larry. At the time I stopped running in RASCAR
>> races you along with quite a few others had told me you had no interest
>> in anything but a Nascar sim. Seeing how we werent getting a decent
>> Nascar sim for a long time then what would you expect me to think? This
>> was Late March and we already had GTR and rFactor wasnt all that far away
>> (I just didnt get the tudes). Obviously very soon afterwards you all
>> changed you rminds. These are the facts plain and simple despite DGF's
>> spin...
>> Mitch
