rec.autos.simulators

6 months or so ago I tried to rejuvenate RASCAR's falling attendance by
changing from NR2003 to GTR (even the rFactor test woulda worked, anything
but Nr2003).

I was quickly rebuffed and told RASCAR is a Nascar only series (which really
pissed me off cause it was never meant to be Nascar only, right?).  At this
point I figured Id just wait and see what was going to happen with NSR.  We
all know how that worked out eh.

Anyway I told the few remaining drivers that such an idea was doomed to fail
and sooner rather than later.  Obviously that happened just as I foresaw it
would as RASCAR dried up soon afterwards.

Beyond all of that we had Fredrickson showing up every week just to wreck
me.  I tried to have him banned but being he's one of DGFs leftwing activist
nutjob buddies I was told he wouldnt be removed.  Based on Freddys (Reggie
Whites, Larry Bakesmith) posts here on RAS can anyone honestly say him
wrecking me two weeks in a row wasnt intentional???

So here we are in the present and I noticed Tony was trying to pull the
original RASCAR back together and he called it RAS-Factor.  I took it a few
steps further and setup a site and a server for everyone's use (RAS-Factor).

Not long after I announced this JLe comes a crying about how RASCAR was in
hiatus and was switching to rFActor and that I was stealing RASCAR rules
blah blah blah.  I was quite surprised by this fact seeing how I was told
not long ago RASCAR was Nascar only.

Now I see our DGF has revived RASCAR using rFactor as the sim but he has
decided that Im no longer welcome, why?  Because I saw DGF leading RASCAR
into failure and fought to prevent it form happening?  Because I voted
against Kerry?  Because I hate ponytail wearing activist asswipes?  I sure
cant think of any other reason.  As I said long ago Nr2003 was great in its
time but its time has passed.  Thats a reason?

Im surprised but based on his past record with RASCAR I can clearly see his
motives in hindsight (eh Simmons).  He wanted it all from the git go and now
has it and is excluding anyone he deems should be excluded, with or without
merit.  This goes completely against the RASCAR charter.

My last RASCAR experience was a truly disappointing.   I was told in so many
words that DGF runs RASCAR now and makes the rules weekly, on the fly.  I
show up expecting to run our normal fixed setup race and all of a sudden
were running Coorsmans wife's, sisters, boyfriends setup and Im ***ed along
with anyone else that didn't get word.  Needless to say I wasnt going to go
through this ***weekly and I saw the writing on the wall anyway.

Im going to leave the rAS-fACTORserver up and will run Saturday races (along
with a few weeknight (tues/thurs) TT shootouts).  Hopefully the original
RASCAR racers will see through the DGF bullshit and come race where
inclusion is the rule not the exception.  If not rFactor has some very good
drivers in the lobby waiting for a good race anyway.

Give someone an inch and they take a mile.  Typical liberal...

As the World Turns ;)

Mitch

The important thing is Mitch has made a considerable effort to put this
together very quickly and provide us with a place to join up.

It is clear that we don't all get along quite as famously as we would
like but this is somewhat typical of life in general. Continuing the
groups traditional Monty Python references it reminds me of the Peoples
Front of Judea and the Judeans Peoples Front (splitters!) :)

I would not like to see any variance between the two groups determined
as remotely political. I have always liked the idea of a racing club for
RAS members - not necessarily a series requiring total commitment to
attend but somewhere to join up with the guys we regularly converse with
when the time is convenient.

I've no desire to spectate whilst some guys decide to have a slanging
match or wreck each other week in week out so having two series may be
the simplest answer to spread them apart. It doesn't mean anyone else
has to take sides.
There is plenty of scope for RASFactor and RASCAR providing for
different needs even assuming both use rFactor. For example one group
may go for open wheelers whilst the other for tin tops, ovals/road
courses etc.

The daft thing would be for them to compete against each other at the
same time or demand exclusivity of membership.

Imagine the membership entry criteria:

"Listen. If you really wanted to join RASFactor, you'd have to really
hate RASCAR."

"I do!"

"Oh, yeah? How much?"

"A lot!"

"Right. You're in"

Tony

Really wasnt much effort on my part though.  Had I known RASCAR was even
slightly interested in rFactor I wouldnt have done a thing or even mentioned
it.  I blame you LOL.

My point was that DGF continues to make up the rules as he goes along,
ignoring anyone he disagrees with.  Sound at all familiar?.  Sadly I fell
for his con-man bullshit along the way as he slowly took over complete
control of RASCAR right under my nose, and I was just naive enough not to
see it happening (he must have read Fidel Castro's book, and Im not
surprised). I just never figured he'd pull that shit again, let alone to me.

Rascar is Nascar only, until dgf decides otherwise is what I should have
been told 6 months ago.  I dare anyone in RASCAR to tell me different.

Doesnt matter, Ill just let her run and have some fun!

http://ras-factor.servebeer.com/ras-factor

Mitch

You just can't help yourself! breathe, breathe :)

Exactly!

Cheers
Tony

I'm probably going to regret prolonging this but I think you're being a
little unfair here. RASCAR under the recent regime has been absolutely
consultative, even down to the setups used. We gave NSR a try and
collectively decided it wasn't for us. You suggested GTR and we collectively
decided it wasn't for us either. You chose not to race the NASCAR races and
that's fine but it isn't fair to suggest that Dave 'told' us we had to race
NASCAR - we decided that GTR wasn't for us. We plodded on for a bit and
eventually decided, as a group, we'd park it until rFactor was out. As
agreed, we're now giving that a shot and, who knows, maybe that won't be for
us either (although I must admit the open wheelers are a blast and the net
code is good).

You can follow all these discussions on the RASCAR forum and there's
absolutely no antagonism or ill-feeling anywhere. There are discussions
about the future direction and a consensus can be seen to emerge. The fact
is, I don't recall Dave ever trying to impose his will on anyone. The
atmosphere in RASCAR in the least season was fantastic. Numbers dropped but
a great, relaxed time was had by all. It just seems a shame such a great
group of people seem intent on ripping themselves apart at regular
intervals. I had no real problems with John, and none with you or Dave and
I'm ***ed if I can see why egos keep getting in the way.

As you'd left the group, it's entirely understandable that you wouldn't have
seen the discussion to wait for rFactor and I for one appreciate your
efforts to get something going. As we all appear to be on the same
wavelength now why not race with us again. Tony has it right - it would just
be good to have a place for ras guys to race in a nice atmosphere and no
pressure.

Regards

I see things the same way myself.  Just happy to race with those who'll have
me.  ;o)

Elrikk

I'm confident that there isn't a single RASCAR driver from this past season
who will back your silly lies.

I'm going to hold back and not reply the way I'd like ONLY because I am in
RASCAR.
--
David G Fisher

Don't care what he does or where he races.

We will be going ahead with our plans that we made in June (as can be read
on forum). When you suggested on the 4th that we should get something
started, I was the first to reply, I agreed, and I said, "that's what we had
planned." Don't know how a certain someone could of read my post and then
come out later and claimed they had no idea we were going to be using
rFactor.

--
David G Fisher

Cheers
Tony

Buh-bye... PLONK