Eldred
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Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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So, if any guy might have a chance to pass me while I'm firmly entrenched in
my low line in the turn, I should back off and let him pass me. Eventually,
I'll be in last place.
Shall I slow down before the turn in case a guy might be coming, so as to
let him pass me, and avoid the wreck that might happen?
And when I want to fight my way back to the front? Only straightaway
passing, no corners?
No wonder I stuck with SCCA Solo 2 all those years. Cones don't worry about
the racing line!
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Dave Pawlikowski
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"Ah, the Luftwaffe.. The Washington
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Homer Simpson
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So, I should yield to every other racer on the track while in the corner,
though I'm firmly placed in the racing line? And when I'm in last place,
then what happens?
And who knows how to race? YOU???????
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Dave Pawlikowski
www.cushdrive.com
www.luftwaffe-experten.com
ICQ - 103134094
"Ah, the Luftwaffe.. The Washington
Generals of The History Channel."
Homer Simpson
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> >
Do some of you actually RACE on-line, or is it just one big band of
gentlemen afraid to make a stand in a turn?
When the corner comes along, is there lots of frantic typing " You first! "
" Or no! You first! " " Oh I couldn't! You please! "
If the nose of my car is at his rear quarter panel in the turn, I have no
problem backing off. There is always time to get the position back. However,
if I have the advantage of the low line and we are side by side or he is
behind I'm keeping it to the floor.
But, it seems this type of attitude is detrimental to racing. At least to a
few here.
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Dave Pawlikowski
www.cushdrive.com
www.luftwaffe-experten.com
ICQ - 103134094
"Ah, the Luftwaffe.. The Washington
Generals of The History Channel."
Homer Simpson
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> Ian P
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> > Exactly.
> > Once I'm in the corner its mine. The only way he is getting it back is
> > either by outrunning me on the outside or pushing me off the track.
> > I have no intention of backing off each time he might want to pass me
and
> > get into that turn first. I'm racing.
Although from what you're saying, you're talking more about NASCAR type oval
racing than road circuit racing, thats a totally different ball game because
you can easily run at least two wide at most ovals
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Ian P
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Rules ? in NASCAR ? they don't even have a faint clue about rules in NASCAR
!!!
As a matter of fact... Yes. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
--MikeE
> Wrong! The "International Sporting Code", Appendix L, Chapter IV, Section 2
> is about "Overtaking". There are clear regulations regarding what a driver
> may/may not do during overtaking. So, yes the ARE rules for overtaking.
> Everyone would be better served if you included an "AFAIK" in front of you
> statements of pseudo-fact.
> > Rubbish. It's a race, if you can genuinely make an attempt then you are
> > entitled to, weather you make it or not.
> > The lead car does not have a right to take a tight line knowing you'll
> > touch.
> Its about physics, plain and simple. Two cars cannot occupy the same space
> at the same time. Being able to reset your car gives sim racers false
> courage. Change all the VROC servers to Pro damage and see what happens<g>.
> > As far as overtaking "rules" go, they are all in the imagination of
> > Anti-Schumacher fans :-)
> And FIA apparently.
The *smart* racers tend to use those rules that the FIA has just because they
make sense most of the time - the last few laps being the exception. I've heard
a lot of smart racers (*** and otherwise) use the quote "you can't win the
race on the first lap, but you can certainly lose it". It's the reality that if
you don't take care in passing, you'll wreck. If you wreck often enough, you'll
eventually lose your ride. Just ask Robby Gordon. About the only way he's
going to race is out of his own pocket.
> Do some of you actually RACE on-line, or is it just one big band of
> gentlemen afraid to make a stand in a turn?
> When the corner comes along, is there lots of frantic typing " You first! "
> " Or no! You first! " " Oh I couldn't! You please! "
Some days it doesn't pay to be the nice guy.
Dale Jarret did much the same several years ago in a Busch race. He had
caught the leader with about 3 laps to go...a kid who had NEVER won before..
Jarret was a Daytona winner, a Winston Cup contender, and yet he stayed
behind the fellow for the last laps with SEVERAL opportunities to spin him
out of the way...(short track..Marty or Bristol??)
dave henrie
Doh! So there are... that'll teach me to skip over things.
Anyhow, part of what I was saying still stands... people tend to decide on
their own rules too much to suit their own driver.
If a leading car doesn't leave room for an overtaking car I think he's in
the wrong.
If an overtaking car makes an attempt when the leading car is ahead earning
he has already turned and a collision is imminent then it's his fault.
That's just my own idea of things and it applies to every touch. Peoples
views of the rules change from incident to incident to suit the driver they
follow to much IMO.
> > It's only all common sense and chivalry. That's why I sort of defended
> > Rubens in Melbourne. The TV shots showed he tried to back out (broke
very
> > very hard to stop the car) when he realised he was too far back.
Frentzen
> > had the idea in his head that if he's ahead, he "owns" the corner, so he
> > turned in much too sharply with a car to your inside, Rubens nose was
there
> > and bam, out goes Heinz. In fairness to Rubens he looked like he tried
to
> > back out but couldn't completely stop his car at that speed! Frentzen
took a
> > very tight racing line as if there wasn't a car in sight hoping that if
they
> > did touch he'd just blame Rubens as "he owned the corner".
> IMO you are talking utter rubbish, just my opinion of course.
> Gerry
Well that's where the confusion is made.
I don't get this "owning a corner". You have to keep fighting, most of the
time in F1 drivers just sort of give up or allow someone past after such a
point as they'll get it anyway but that's off the topic.
If a guy has an inch on your back wheel you don't let him past, no not at
all. BUT! But if you turn in on him, you'll go out of the race and blame
him. Its not That fair, you're moving into his space yet you blame him.
You have to fight fight fight but if a guy even has an inch on you have to
allow him his space, you do NOT have to let him past, IMO.
They are two very different things IMHO.
> Oh come on, when did he last do that?
> In the last couple of seasons I reckon Coulthard has made some of the best
> (only?) overtaking moves on the track.
> Two years ago he did manage to spin out his team-mate with a rather dumb
> move, but since then he's been excellent in the overtaking department (if
> not everywhere else...).
> It all started when he was accused of being "too nice", so he's now making
> sure he overtakes whenever he can!
I fairness though, I'm picking on DC, that's not fair in this situation.
Gerry
PS. Please keep away from VROC.
